How do notifications work in the official Telegram Android app (Play Store vs Site version maybe)? Does it have the same mechanism as Signal, which only recognizes the presence of notifications via Google services, but sends them via its web socket service?

    • @rdri
      1•1 year ago

      This is useless when groups are public.

      And when groups are not public, there is no ground for any action from the service.

        • @rdri
          1•1 year ago

          This argument will have some weight if you can provide examples where telegram shared some information about private groups with someone unauthorized.

          I’m not shilling. Just pointing out obvious differences in products’ features that one has to take into account when judging about app developer’s “wrongdoings”.

            • @rdri
              1•1 year ago

              It is you who refuses to take logical steps to agree that every single app with the same feature set will be vulnerable to governments’ decisions. Signal is not a subject of that only because it does not provide such features and therefore is not used by protesters.

              Yes, telegram knows all your private groups. But you are missing everything by assuming it is bad for you. You will be arrested not because telegram will disclose your private groups. You will be arrested because some person will join your private group and leak your presence there. That person will not need to get any information from Telegram for that. This is not an issue a service could solve by any encryption.

                • @rdri
                  1•1 year ago

                  Yes it is. Wtf

                  Could you prove that? More specifically, I need proof that it allows public groups for protesters to gain mass and protect their identifies adequately at all times.

                  It doesn’t need to do that

                  It does need that. Signal stores this information too. Just because it’s encrypted doesn’t mean it will not be handled to someone against your will.

                  Why would it not disclose groups?

                  I don’t know, maybe because I can’t imagine why even the most insane government would come up with laws that would allow it to ask internet services something like “hey there is this person, please provide some data of their activity on your service” instead of just capturing that person and making them spill out everything themselves. If you are at the point where your groups are disclosed this won’t be the result of government’s requests to some service. It’ll be the starting point for those.

                  A year ago, you would have said Telegram doesn’t disclose people’s identities.

                  I wouldn’t.

                  ignoring every other problem Telegram has but Signal does not

                  Signal’s way to “not have problems” is to avoid users who could bring them.