• @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    531 year ago

    User Agents should be optional. The whole idea of the Internet was that the server should respond the same way to the same request regardless of the client’s qualities.

    • @essteeyou
      link
      English
      41 year ago

      There are qualities that are useful for having different responses, like supported language, whether the browser accepts gzipped content, etc.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        81 year ago

        Fuck that shit.

        • You can do language codes in the URL to serve different versions of content
        • If your browser can do TLS then it should be able to handle gzip content or alternatively if the internet didn’t allow cookies and scripting in your browser then it would have been safe to use TLSs built in compression

        Check out the Gemini protocol if you want to see that a lot of HTTP spec stuff is completely unnecessary

        • xcjs
          link
          fedilink
          English
          11 year ago

          The issue is that some of those techniques are only useful after the client has rendered the content rather than before.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            11 year ago

            But they are useful and completely valid ways of dealing with the problem.

            It is not the end of the world if I have to click am extra once or twice to change the language. Hell most websites have much harder processes just to reject cookies.

            Personally I would rather err on the side of slightly extra work the odd time I’m not on a website not in my native language than have an extra bit of information that can be used to track me.

            Again take a look at the Gemini protocol, its a perfectly fine browsing experience without all the cruft.

            • xcjs
              link
              fedilink
              English
              1
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Valid, but not standard and more inconvenient.

              Additionally, you act like query strings can’t be used to track you when they certainly can.

              Most of the advantages of Gemini are implemented in the client and not the protocol itself.

        • @essteeyou
          link
          English
          11 year ago

          So if I type in “google.com” what language should the front page be in?

          • Terrasque
            link
            fedilink
            English
            61 year ago

            First language in Accept-Language header that server also support

            • @essteeyou
              link
              English
              -31 year ago

              Yeah, User Agent is also a header, which the other guy is saying shouldn’t exist.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            0
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            Some widely spoken language I imagine, Chinese, Spanish, English I don’t care. Since .com is intended for commercial use, the language of the companies biggest market makes sense here as well.

            You’re also forgetting that the likes of google.ru, google.nl and google.every_other_country_code exist.

            Also there are plently of websites the have language selection in the site that overrides that header, look at Wikipedia.

            There are plently of sites in non english languages that cater to non English speakers only, not every site has or needs 10 different translations.

            At this point we also have translation engines in the browser so for pages in languages you don’t know, that you absolutely need to access, you can use it to understand the page to a decent level and/or be able to navigate to a version in your language if available.

            • @essteeyou
              link
              English
              01 year ago

              Who said anything about English?

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                1
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                I just used it as an example since it’s pretty much the lingua franca of the internet and it’s what we are currently using. The same argument applies to any other language.

                My main point with that bit was that a lot of content exists on the internet without any translated versions and the world hasn’t ended because of this, look at non English Lemmy instances.