It’s also essentially you declaring that you don’t really mind if Trump gets in. If you were opposed to Trump, you’d actively try to stop him gaining power again. If you’re not voting in a way where you try to prevent him gaining power, sure, you’re not actively supporting him, but you’re still willing to sit by while fascism rears its head. That is what people are judging you for.
To pick an extreme analogy: if there’s a child drowning and you’re in a position where you could easily save them but choose not to because you saw that child being mean to someone once, no-one’s going to call you a child murderer but people are going to judge the hell out of you for being “the guy who doesn’t save drowning children”.
So yes, vote abstinence is an option. But I’d argue what’s more a part of your “civic duty” is to prevent fascists rising to power when you personally have a say in preventing that.
Democrats and the DNC hold all of the power when it comes to who they field for the election. If their current chosen is polling poorly, if he’s not energizing the people that the DNC needs to win, then they have the power to nominate someone who does. If they’re willing to risk Trump getting in by fielding the candidate anyway, then they’re indicating their willingness to put stubborn pride and the need for control over doing what they know needs to be done.
The Democrats hold all of the cards when it comes to who to run. If Trump gets in because they cling to stubborn pride, then they have only have themselves to blame.
“Maybe if the Republicans get elected on a platform of christofascist dictatorship and enact massive disenfranchisement and roll back civil rights, things will get more representative and we’ll see more left leaning candidates in future elections somehow, rather than the people who have promised to ratfuck every election for eternity ratfucking every subsequent election.” This is your ridiculous logic.
My logic: Democrats hold all of the cards. They are not required to run Biden and they have plenty of time to find a candidate that appeals to progressives outside of their core. If they choose to push forward with a mediocre candidate who is currently polling poorly and the worst possible person gets elected, they are responsible for the loss.
They actually don’t have time. The first of the primary caucuses happen in less than a month. You’re talking about putting a full slate of unvetted candidates in front of a national primary with less than a month before voters would have to choose.
The Democrats made an error. They thought the Republicans surely would nominate someone else. They didn’t know Trump would quote Hitler a few days ago. They’re trying to run in an election with an incumbent. That’s how the parties have operated since… maybe the beginning. I don’t know that I know of a time when an eligible incumbent presidential candidate didn’t run. Maybe Washington?
Democrats are making the same mistake that voters are. They’re treating Trump like a beatable candidate, and expecting voters to act rationally. But yet, we see people saying the same irrational thing you are, that it’s better to sit out and let Trump get elected again than it is to vote for a milquetoast candidate like Biden. That’s it’s better for the worst evil to be elected than to vote for the lesser evil. It’s irrational. And yet, here we are, with someone thinking that the Dems can spin up a national primary for couple hundred million people in a couple of weeks.
Sadly the cynic in me thinks it’s precisely the opposite. I think Democrats knew that they would run Donald Trump and just assume he’s an easily beaten target. An impossibly high stakes gamble.
People aren’t that smart and don’t think like that. They think that they are hurting and don’t like feeling forced and will look for who is “on their side and punishing up” or even just become apathetic. You are able to see the long picture and be rightfully scared of it but then it’s up to us to point that out to the people who have power and ability to do something about it. And raise awareness where possible.
He, nor I, have any logical statement on how it will get better for it being worse just that reality is what is. It would be likely a lot worse should Republicans get everything they want, but the Democrats need to see they won’t get votes just for whipping like the Republicans.
You are having an emotional response cause you are scared and shooting the messenger.
You know that as an american citizen, whoever gets voted in is someone you would have to deal with, right?
Domestically, that would be saying you are no further than “wag finger on a soapbox” towards allowing the voting in of someone who has attempted treason and has said he would go dictator if voted in, while doing speeches that can literally be pulled from Adolf Hitler.
If you are an american citizen, speak like this is your FUCKING PROBLEM
It’s also essentially you declaring that you don’t really mind if Trump gets in. If you were opposed to Trump, you’d actively try to stop him gaining power again. If you’re not voting in a way where you try to prevent him gaining power, sure, you’re not actively supporting him, but you’re still willing to sit by while fascism rears its head. That is what people are judging you for.
To pick an extreme analogy: if there’s a child drowning and you’re in a position where you could easily save them but choose not to because you saw that child being mean to someone once, no-one’s going to call you a child murderer but people are going to judge the hell out of you for being “the guy who doesn’t save drowning children”.
So yes, vote abstinence is an option. But I’d argue what’s more a part of your “civic duty” is to prevent fascists rising to power when you personally have a say in preventing that.
Fine, I’ll play.
Democrats and the DNC hold all of the power when it comes to who they field for the election. If their current chosen is polling poorly, if he’s not energizing the people that the DNC needs to win, then they have the power to nominate someone who does. If they’re willing to risk Trump getting in by fielding the candidate anyway, then they’re indicating their willingness to put stubborn pride and the need for control over doing what they know needs to be done.
The Democrats hold all of the cards when it comes to who to run. If Trump gets in because they cling to stubborn pride, then they have only have themselves to blame.
“Maybe if the Republicans get elected on a platform of christofascist dictatorship and enact massive disenfranchisement and roll back civil rights, things will get more representative and we’ll see more left leaning candidates in future elections somehow, rather than the people who have promised to ratfuck every election for eternity ratfucking every subsequent election.” This is your ridiculous logic.
Actually, no.
My logic: Democrats hold all of the cards. They are not required to run Biden and they have plenty of time to find a candidate that appeals to progressives outside of their core. If they choose to push forward with a mediocre candidate who is currently polling poorly and the worst possible person gets elected, they are responsible for the loss.
They actually don’t have time. The first of the primary caucuses happen in less than a month. You’re talking about putting a full slate of unvetted candidates in front of a national primary with less than a month before voters would have to choose.
The Democrats made an error. They thought the Republicans surely would nominate someone else. They didn’t know Trump would quote Hitler a few days ago. They’re trying to run in an election with an incumbent. That’s how the parties have operated since… maybe the beginning. I don’t know that I know of a time when an eligible incumbent presidential candidate didn’t run. Maybe Washington?
Democrats are making the same mistake that voters are. They’re treating Trump like a beatable candidate, and expecting voters to act rationally. But yet, we see people saying the same irrational thing you are, that it’s better to sit out and let Trump get elected again than it is to vote for a milquetoast candidate like Biden. That’s it’s better for the worst evil to be elected than to vote for the lesser evil. It’s irrational. And yet, here we are, with someone thinking that the Dems can spin up a national primary for couple hundred million people in a couple of weeks.
Sadly the cynic in me thinks it’s precisely the opposite. I think Democrats knew that they would run Donald Trump and just assume he’s an easily beaten target. An impossibly high stakes gamble.
People aren’t that smart and don’t think like that. They think that they are hurting and don’t like feeling forced and will look for who is “on their side and punishing up” or even just become apathetic. You are able to see the long picture and be rightfully scared of it but then it’s up to us to point that out to the people who have power and ability to do something about it. And raise awareness where possible.
He, nor I, have any logical statement on how it will get better for it being worse just that reality is what is. It would be likely a lot worse should Republicans get everything they want, but the Democrats need to see they won’t get votes just for whipping like the Republicans.
You are having an emotional response cause you are scared and shooting the messenger.
I don’t mean to be blunt but…are you Russian?
You know that as an american citizen, whoever gets voted in is someone you would have to deal with, right?
Domestically, that would be saying you are no further than “wag finger on a soapbox” towards allowing the voting in of someone who has attempted treason and has said he would go dictator if voted in, while doing speeches that can literally be pulled from Adolf Hitler.
If you are an american citizen, speak like this is your FUCKING PROBLEM
People really stretching to ignore Pride as one of the cardinal sins against a proper perception on reality.
People’s inability to change or pivot is truly one of our greatest downfalls even if the stubbornness is one of our greatest tools to survival.