It would also help to quit massively subsidizing driving (both by failing to charge appropriate taxes and fees for automobile registration and use while funding road construction almost entirely from general funds, and by using the zoning code to force property owners to oversupply free parking).
Fun fact: if cyclists were taxed for their “fair share” of the road use, they’d be due a refund.
I get where you are coming from, but the percentage of people that are going to bike to work is already very small, if you add things like rain/snow/heat that number I’m guessing drops to basically zero. We need alternative transportation for those that cannot bike/walk to work everyday.
So I did some crude Googling and it looked like most of the Netherlands averaged 7-12 inches of snow each winter, where in WNY we can get more than that in a single storm. Covered bike tunnels all over a city might get you to and from someplace in the snow, but you can’t make them door-to-door for everyone. And some people are just not going to be fit enough, or healthy enough, or just want to lug a bike through a 2 foot snow bank to get to a bike tunnel to ride to work and then park their bike in a snow bank and hope they can get it back out 8+hrs later.
Looks like the highest monthly average is January with just over 8 inches. How does this change anything I said?
Edit Contrast this with Buffalo, NY that has a seasonal average of 104 inches over the last 10 years.
Edit #2 Just read this piece from a couple years ago. My main take away is that it is still a small percentage of bikers overall still, but they are working on it (which is good!). It also specifically states that the city was designed around biking being a bigger priority than cars, which is how all the debating in this post started. I think we all agree this is what is needed before we are going to push any majority away from cars, as without the infrastructure and making it a viable alternative we are never going to get there in the US at least.
What do you think the initial capital cost of a semi sheltered bike path is compared to a road? What about operational expenses between the two?
The reality is we could very easily have sheltered bike paths and would likely save substantial money compared to maintaining and salting roads all the time.
It would also help to quit massively subsidizing driving (both by failing to charge appropriate taxes and fees for automobile registration and use while funding road construction almost entirely from general funds, and by using the zoning code to force property owners to oversupply free parking).
Fun fact: if cyclists were taxed for their “fair share” of the road use, they’d be due a refund.
I get where you are coming from, but the percentage of people that are going to bike to work is already very small, if you add things like rain/snow/heat that number I’m guessing drops to basically zero. We need alternative transportation for those that cannot bike/walk to work everyday.
Nah, that’s a myth. Places like the Netherlands prove that if you build the infrastructure, people will ride, even despite their shitty weather.
So I did some crude Googling and it looked like most of the Netherlands averaged 7-12 inches of snow each winter, where in WNY we can get more than that in a single storm. Covered bike tunnels all over a city might get you to and from someplace in the snow, but you can’t make them door-to-door for everyone. And some people are just not going to be fit enough, or healthy enough, or just want to lug a bike through a 2 foot snow bank to get to a bike tunnel to ride to work and then park their bike in a snow bank and hope they can get it back out 8+hrs later.
Okay, now do some crude Googling about how much snow Oulo, Finland gets.
Looks like the highest monthly average is January with just over 8 inches. How does this change anything I said?
Edit Contrast this with Buffalo, NY that has a seasonal average of 104 inches over the last 10 years.
Edit #2 Just read this piece from a couple years ago. My main take away is that it is still a small percentage of bikers overall still, but they are working on it (which is good!). It also specifically states that the city was designed around biking being a bigger priority than cars, which is how all the debating in this post started. I think we all agree this is what is needed before we are going to push any majority away from cars, as without the infrastructure and making it a viable alternative we are never going to get there in the US at least.
What do you think the initial capital cost of a semi sheltered bike path is compared to a road? What about operational expenses between the two?
The reality is we could very easily have sheltered bike paths and would likely save substantial money compared to maintaining and salting roads all the time.