• @mean_bean279
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    2411 months ago

    I mean, we’ve had El Niño’s before. Is there a reason this specific El Niño is skewing the data? I’m not a climate scientist, but I just don’t see how it really adds to anything other than higher than typical ocean temperatures and increased humidity. As a Californian I’m pretty well adjusted to the swings of El Niño and La Niña, but even this winter has been milder than I’ve ever experienced in my life (30 years isn’t a long monitor, but still).

    • @NocturnalMorning
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      -411 months ago

      There’s a lot of variation in weather, and different extremes. It’s just really hard to say concretely, this El Nino is worse bcz of climate change. Although, I was talking to my partner about this very thing (and she does climate adaptation work), and she said off record most climate scientists collectively will say that this El Nino has been worse bcz of climate change.

      But, really, without data in a few years, we can’t definitely say.

      • @[email protected]
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        711 months ago

        Yeah, until the wolf bites you, you really don’t know what he’s going to do. Maybe he’s growing and snarling and running towards ya, but it’s not conclusive. It’s best to wait and gather more data.

        • @NocturnalMorning
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          711 months ago

          That’s how science works dude. You can’t say something is for sure happening without conclusive data.

          • @[email protected]
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            11 months ago

            Just jumping in to caution: no, science rarely ends up with truly definitive, conclusive data. A ton of science, particularly climate science, is all about preponderance of evidence.

            It may seem nitpicky, but it’s this precise misunderstanding that has led a lot of people to reject climate science, evolution, etc. “Well you can’t prove it so my crackpot theory is just as good as yours.”

            So how much of what happened in 2023 is broader AGW and how much is El Nino? It’s hard to say. But we can absolutely say AGW has almost certainly made a strong El Nino year even more severe.

            • @NocturnalMorning
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              111 months ago

              This is very true. Science is shades of grey, not concrete right/wrong answers.

          • @[email protected]
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            111 months ago

            I agree with you there. What I’m trying to say is that we, unfortunately, have to act in parallel to data gathering. Obviously this means we risk making bad choices, or making the data harder to read. That’s our lot in life though. If we just sit still and gather data all our lives we’ll get eaten by catastrophe.

            • @NocturnalMorning
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              111 months ago

              I’m not saying we shouldn’t address climate change right now. Not even sort of, I am very alarmed by what’s happening, and what we already do know. The data gathering I’m talking about is for the science part, not for the action part.

              We should be 330 million Americans in Washington DC right now (or wherever you live) demanding climate action right now. Unfortunately, that’s just not going to happen.