Germany mulls reintroduction of compulsory military service – DW – 12/29/2023
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The Bundeswehr is facing a dramatic shortage in personnel. Now Defense Minister Boris Pistorius has rekindled the debate over reintroducing conscription.
    • xorEnglish
      0•11 months ago

      So you’re just doubling down on jury duty is slavery instead of considering a nuanced perspective?

      Edit: autocorrect

      • Lols [they/them]
        1•11 months ago

        im assuming you mean nuanced

        me not agreeing with you doesnt mean i didnt consider your perspective, and saying ‘well surely not all forced labour is slavery’ isnt nuance

        • xorEnglish
          0•11 months ago

          The issue is you’re confusing compulsory labour with forced labour.

          If you don’t do conscription or civil service work (the alternative option) the consequences are a fine, or jail. This is the same as eg refusing jury duty or not doing your taxes.

          Having compulsory civil duties is not new, nor is it slavery. In countries at high risk of conflict (eg Taiwan), it’s practically required for their continued short-term existence.

          I’m not even pro-conscription (for my own nation at this time), but “conscription is slavery” is so reductive, and just stops people discussing the actual pros and cons of the practice.

          • Lols [they/them]
            1•11 months ago

            The issue is you’re confusing compulsory labour with forced labour.

            seems like a you problem, what with you talking about compulsory labour while i explicitly said forced labour

            If you don’t do conscription or civil service work (the alternative option) the consequences are a fine, or jail.

            “youre not forced to do it, you just get tossed in jail if you dont do it”

            In countries at high risk of conflict (eg Taiwan), it’s practically required for their continued short-term existence.

            if a country can only motivate its people to actually protect said country by threatening them into doing so, it didnt actually deserve protection

            and just stops people discussing the actual pros and cons of the practice.

            good, i do not want people discussing the actual pros of slavery