DUIs for both. Public intoxication not nearly as big a deal, being high in public is harmless. Secondhand smoke is no different from cigarettes though, so public smoking still needs to be regulated. 21+ for both. Did I miss any?
I’m with everything you said except smoking in public.
The difference between nicotine and THC are wildly different and second hand smoke from cannabis containing high amounts of THC well absolutely wreck somebody and should not be acceptable.
Yeah if you literally exhale it directly into someone’s mouth but if you’re both standing on opposite sides of an open air smoking area it really isn’t comparable in the slightest.
The problem with second hand cigarette smoke is also not nicotine, its the like 160 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke most of which comes from additives.
But I do disagree with your sentiment regarding Marijuana. The cannabinoids and terpenes are still in what you exhale, just in a smaller amount. You’re still introducing foreign material to others unsolicited.
So then we should probably talk about car exhaust fumes, I inhale that every time I go outside unsolicited. What about people who are sick? They should probably be banned from public spaces too. And restaurants who cook with grease, you inhale that when you walk past them too.
A smoker smoking a J in a designated smoking area is literally not causing any more harm than any other person smoking in that area. Designated smoking areas exist for a reason. People smoke in society, its simply how it is. People are exposed to harmful substances in the form of gas and fumes every single day of their lives from a million different sources. Singling out people smoking weed is stupid and largely driven by misinformation.
We literally just had two years of a pandemic where for a long time people were having to prove they weren’t sick to access public spaces. We don’t do it with every illness because it wouldn’t be practical to test so much and most illnesses aren’t that big a deal to people, but we do it when we have to.
My point was that people are already exposed to plenty of things in public that are definitely harmful and also that are ‘unsolicited’. But yes, you are correct.
I would argue cannabis, especially of the average potency and in moderation, doesn’t impair most EVERYDAY users any more than a cigarette might (those things spike your blood pressure and dehydrate you fast!!) but I just especially have to object to treating high driving exactly the same. As another user stated, the statistics are very clear. To quote a friend’s dad “If you can’t drive and smoke weed, you can’t drive.”
As someone who has ingested a lot of weed, strong disagree. I don’t know how anyone who has experienced being high can say they are not impaired. That’s a mind blowing statement to me.
I definitely wouldn’t say it impairs you in the same way being drunk does, but I also wouldn’t say driving high is the same as driving sober. And if you are driving high you really need to cut that shit out. All it takes is one time where your reaction time is slightly decreased and it could be catastrophic.
I would say it really depends on person, tolerance, strain, etc. The issue with DUIs for THC intoxication is that it’s practically impossible to prove that someone is under the influence definitively like you can with alcohol. Even without a shred of evidence a breathalyzer will tell you if someone is over the legal limit, there is no equivalent with marijuana.
Define “a lot of weed”. Because weed hasn’t impaired me since high school, and I’ve met a lot of everyday users who feel the exact same.
“Decreased reaction time” is absolutely a popular misconception IMHO, and that’s a symptom of simple tiredness too -I’d argue pot is far from the #1 cause of it. Being a stimulant to some extent. I take mine with a ridiculous caffeine dependency though too so I could be a little biased.
Dude, just stop driving high. We live in a time where you can have everything delivered to your door, including someone showing up at your door to drive you somewhere. People who drive drunk also insist they are badasses that are not impaired.
Decreased reaction time is absolutely not a myth. The level of impairment is related to the amount consumed (just like alcohol), but a decrease in reaction time is a very real effect of cannabis. In case of an emergency on the road that could be a major issue. Please do not drive high.
If we engineered our roadways around the idea that people would be operating with a reduced reaction speed than normal, this would be fine. But we didn’t, everything is designed to be safe for normal operation.
Most isn’t good enough. If it impairs 10% of people, and increases fatalities even a little bit, it should be a DUI, unless there is some kind of medical exemption or something.
It impairs maybe 10% of people. They should know better than to drive and the other 90% shouldn’t be held responsible for their mistake. But reduced reaction speed? Nah, THC is magical in that it’s a mental stimulant that almost slows down one’s perception of time, you clearly haven’t heard of hackey-sack or met anybody that plays FPS games at a serious level.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that because only 10% of drivers are reckless, we don’t get to regulate the other 90% along with them. Of course if we had some magical wand that would tell us who the reckless drivers are, then we could only target the dangerous folks, but often that’s impossible.
Often the best we can do is take a look at the data and see what kind of policies would not be horribly burdensome for the general public and yet would save a lot of lives, and then we institute those.
The other part of the problem with the 10% bad drivers argument is that bad drivers change from hour to hour, and from day to day. After all, the majority of people believe that they’re good drivers, right?
This is the same argument leille used when drink driving laws came in. “I can do it fine, why do we need a law”. We can’t set laws based on the outliers, we have to base them on all scenarios.
Okay but law unfairly targets and exploits substance users in the first place, and you’re missing my whole point- cannabis does not impair JUDGMENT, unlike alcohol. Regardless of what you think, the statistics show it is vastly safer than driving drunk. Besides that, any laws like this would be especially harmful to the average medicinal user being as THC levels fluctuate and it can stay in the body for up to months.
To add to your point: I once saw a TV show where they got drivers to smoke weed and drive a basic obstacle course, They presented stats saying drunk drivers were (iirc) 6x more likely to crash, while cannabis use was associated with a 2x higher likelihood to crash. So, while it is technically safer, it is definitely not safe.
Haha, you must be so cool. Do you think everything on television is all lies, all the time? Like when a young person tells an old person about a fact they learned online, only to hear the old person gripe: “oh sure, because you read it on the internet it must true”. That’s one ignorant take.
I’m gonna go back to not knowing you, never talk to you again, and live a productive life. Enjoy your trolling, basement man!
So many functional alcoholics can drive seemingly perfectly fine, but letting people drive drunk is still incredibly stupid. Just because you have a high tolerance or whatever doesn’t mean you should be allowed to drive while stoned, regardless of if it’s just as impacting as being tired or whatever justification people use.
For lots of us being drunk in public isn’t that big a deal since we can keep it together after a few pints still. That said I still support legalisation of cannabis too, I get high more than I drink.
DUIs for both. Public intoxication not nearly as big a deal, being high in public is harmless. Secondhand smoke is no different from cigarettes though, so public smoking still needs to be regulated. 21+ for both. Did I miss any?
I’m with everything you said except smoking in public.
The difference between nicotine and THC are wildly different and second hand smoke from cannabis containing high amounts of THC well absolutely wreck somebody and should not be acceptable.
Yeah if you literally exhale it directly into someone’s mouth but if you’re both standing on opposite sides of an open air smoking area it really isn’t comparable in the slightest.
The problem with second hand cigarette smoke is also not nicotine, its the like 160 known carcinogens in cigarette smoke most of which comes from additives.
I won’t argue for cigarettes, they’re terrible.
But I do disagree with your sentiment regarding Marijuana. The cannabinoids and terpenes are still in what you exhale, just in a smaller amount. You’re still introducing foreign material to others unsolicited.
So then we should probably talk about car exhaust fumes, I inhale that every time I go outside unsolicited. What about people who are sick? They should probably be banned from public spaces too. And restaurants who cook with grease, you inhale that when you walk past them too.
A smoker smoking a J in a designated smoking area is literally not causing any more harm than any other person smoking in that area. Designated smoking areas exist for a reason. People smoke in society, its simply how it is. People are exposed to harmful substances in the form of gas and fumes every single day of their lives from a million different sources. Singling out people smoking weed is stupid and largely driven by misinformation.
Your strawmaning me and I don’t think we’ll come to any agreements at this point so I’ll agree to disagree and end the conversion here unfortunately.
Edit: jerboa app is fucking up and making it look like my comments are timing out but they’re posting…
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We literally just had two years of a pandemic where for a long time people were having to prove they weren’t sick to access public spaces. We don’t do it with every illness because it wouldn’t be practical to test so much and most illnesses aren’t that big a deal to people, but we do it when we have to.
My point was that people are already exposed to plenty of things in public that are definitely harmful and also that are ‘unsolicited’. But yes, you are correct.
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Outdoors this idea is laughable. Smoking shouldn’t be done indoors publicly anyway.
I would argue cannabis, especially of the average potency and in moderation, doesn’t impair most EVERYDAY users any more than a cigarette might (those things spike your blood pressure and dehydrate you fast!!) but I just especially have to object to treating high driving exactly the same. As another user stated, the statistics are very clear. To quote a friend’s dad “If you can’t drive and smoke weed, you can’t drive.”
As someone who has ingested a lot of weed, strong disagree. I don’t know how anyone who has experienced being high can say they are not impaired. That’s a mind blowing statement to me.
I definitely wouldn’t say it impairs you in the same way being drunk does, but I also wouldn’t say driving high is the same as driving sober. And if you are driving high you really need to cut that shit out. All it takes is one time where your reaction time is slightly decreased and it could be catastrophic.
I would say it really depends on person, tolerance, strain, etc. The issue with DUIs for THC intoxication is that it’s practically impossible to prove that someone is under the influence definitively like you can with alcohol. Even without a shred of evidence a breathalyzer will tell you if someone is over the legal limit, there is no equivalent with marijuana.
Define “a lot of weed”. Because weed hasn’t impaired me since high school, and I’ve met a lot of everyday users who feel the exact same. “Decreased reaction time” is absolutely a popular misconception IMHO, and that’s a symptom of simple tiredness too -I’d argue pot is far from the #1 cause of it. Being a stimulant to some extent. I take mine with a ridiculous caffeine dependency though too so I could be a little biased.
Dude, just stop driving high. We live in a time where you can have everything delivered to your door, including someone showing up at your door to drive you somewhere. People who drive drunk also insist they are badasses that are not impaired.
This. Would I be impaired driving? Likely not. Still won’t do it, because I’m not just risking myself. That would be a risk for everyone.
Decreased reaction time is absolutely not a myth. The level of impairment is related to the amount consumed (just like alcohol), but a decrease in reaction time is a very real effect of cannabis. In case of an emergency on the road that could be a major issue. Please do not drive high.
If we engineered our roadways around the idea that people would be operating with a reduced reaction speed than normal, this would be fine. But we didn’t, everything is designed to be safe for normal operation.
Most isn’t good enough. If it impairs 10% of people, and increases fatalities even a little bit, it should be a DUI, unless there is some kind of medical exemption or something.
It impairs maybe 10% of people. They should know better than to drive and the other 90% shouldn’t be held responsible for their mistake. But reduced reaction speed? Nah, THC is magical in that it’s a mental stimulant that almost slows down one’s perception of time, you clearly haven’t heard of hackey-sack or met anybody that plays FPS games at a serious level.
You don’t get special rules just because you’re special. That’s just not how law works.
tell that to the police or anybody in law lol
… touche.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that because only 10% of drivers are reckless, we don’t get to regulate the other 90% along with them. Of course if we had some magical wand that would tell us who the reckless drivers are, then we could only target the dangerous folks, but often that’s impossible.
Often the best we can do is take a look at the data and see what kind of policies would not be horribly burdensome for the general public and yet would save a lot of lives, and then we institute those.
The other part of the problem with the 10% bad drivers argument is that bad drivers change from hour to hour, and from day to day. After all, the majority of people believe that they’re good drivers, right?
This is the same argument leille used when drink driving laws came in. “I can do it fine, why do we need a law”. We can’t set laws based on the outliers, we have to base them on all scenarios.
Okay but law unfairly targets and exploits substance users in the first place, and you’re missing my whole point- cannabis does not impair JUDGMENT, unlike alcohol. Regardless of what you think, the statistics show it is vastly safer than driving drunk. Besides that, any laws like this would be especially harmful to the average medicinal user being as THC levels fluctuate and it can stay in the body for up to months.
To add to your point: I once saw a TV show where they got drivers to smoke weed and drive a basic obstacle course, They presented stats saying drunk drivers were (iirc) 6x more likely to crash, while cannabis use was associated with a 2x higher likelihood to crash. So, while it is technically safer, it is definitely not safe.
ah yes, because television never lies or mispresents entertainment as fact. ever. 🙄
Haha, you must be so cool. Do you think everything on television is all lies, all the time? Like when a young person tells an old person about a fact they learned online, only to hear the old person gripe: “oh sure, because you read it on the internet it must true”. That’s one ignorant take.
I’m gonna go back to not knowing you, never talk to you again, and live a productive life. Enjoy your trolling, basement man!
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So many functional alcoholics can drive seemingly perfectly fine, but letting people drive drunk is still incredibly stupid. Just because you have a high tolerance or whatever doesn’t mean you should be allowed to drive while stoned, regardless of if it’s just as impacting as being tired or whatever justification people use.
This seems about right.
For lots of us being drunk in public isn’t that big a deal since we can keep it together after a few pints still. That said I still support legalisation of cannabis too, I get high more than I drink.