Can someone please calmly explain how blocking a freeway across an ocean and a country on a different continent, is supposed to have any effect on a political issue in the middle east?

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    Not all anti-Israel commentary is antisemitic…but this sure as hell is.

    Israel exists primarily to provide the US control over oil in the region? That’s its purpose for existing?

    That argument shows complete disregard for the millions of Jews living there and the sequence of events that led to the need for a sovereign Jewish state in the first place

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      This seems like conflating purpose and reason, or current function.

      Israel acts independently and has it’s own interests, which sometimes conflict with US interests, but often align. The US continues to prop Israel up because it needs access to the region.

      Saying that the British and later Americans used Jews in the same way they used Scotch Irish or other marginalized people to colonize land they wanted to control by proxy is just a statement about history. It would be anti-semetic to suggest that Israel is somehow able to manipulate the US in to funding and arming it, rather than the relationship going primarily the opposite direction… As the US does with it’s many other proxies all over the world. It would be anti-semetic to suggest that Israel is somehow unique in being funded and supported by the US without being part of US global strategy. If we can accept that Israel is just another US proxy, then we ask, “given the local geopolitics, would Israel exist without US support?”

      The history of persecution that allowed the British and Americans to exploit Jews to colonize Palestine isn’t what my post was about. I can understand the confusion. I assume it was in good faith.

      • @neatchee
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        …he said to the Jew. Op literally said the reason for Israel’s existence is oil interests.

        Israel IS an apartheid state. Fuck the Israeli government and fuck Netenyahu especially. But that doesn’t make OP right

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          Jewish people can be antisemitic, lmao.

          Equating zionism with jewishness is antisemitic

          Some of my family didn’t survive a death camp to be used as a cudgel for a settler colonial project.

          That argument shows complete disregard for the millions of Jews living there and the sequence of events that led to the need for a sovereign Jewish state in the first place

          This is using the holocaust to justify Israel, it is ahistorical and disgusting.

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          The reason for the creation of the Israeli state where it is was absolutely a political decision by the big Western powers (just like the repeated backing of Arab religious fanaticism over secular nationalism, btw). If the primary concern was providing a home for displaced Jews, land in Germany or the US would have made much more sense.

      • @neatchee
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        Israeli government can fuck off. They are horrific. Doesn’t mean Israel exists for the purpose of defending oil interests