Ending genocide isn’t on the ballot this year, Trump is. Your choices are between probably more genocide if you don’t vote for Biden and possibly less genocide if you do vote for Biden. It’s really that simple.
Then fuck Joe Biden, fuck the Democrats, fuck this country and fuck this “Democracy”.
This is the perfect encapsulation of the “I’m not voting for an imperfect candidate” mindset. You’re ready to burn the house down, as if you weren’t in it too. (To be clear, “the house” in this metaphor is not just the US - fascist contagion will affect the entire world, just as Trump’s last presidency legitimized ultra-right politics in many countries.)
Also, if you reflected a bit, you’d see that that reaction is reasoning from a privileged position assuming that democracy continues to exist whatever your actions. It’s also focusing entirely on one specific foreseeable result (not voting for Biden = less genocide from Biden) while ignoring an entire landscape of probable outcomes (Trump becomes dictator, ends free elections, commits even more genocide against both Americans and countries he feuds with, Israel sees Trump’s chaos and realizes nobody has attention to spare and increases its genocide, etc).
We were perfectly clear in 2016 what was happening. People chose to vote for Biden in the 2020 primaries anyway. They deserve some portion of your anger.
Yes, we live in America and don’t get to vote on those sorts of things generally. The choices available are shitty and limited, if you haven’t figured that out yet I’ve got some terrible news because that’s how it works here. You can vote for the lesser evil and hope to move things in a better direction, or you can empower Trump and pretty much guarantee the horrorshow will be intensified.
I won’t vote for evil at all. Not if it means this. I’ve voted that way, (lesser evil) in hopes that i could do like you said, but it didn’t pan out that way in the 25 voting years I’ve experienced. The (quite likely) fact you have closer to that many total years as i have voting years, and that I’ve been a political hobbyist for most of those means your attempt at dismissal is a sloppy one.
Your judgment is not good then, I’ve been a voter for a bit longer than you. I don’t think you really have a choice in “voting for evil”, not voting or throwing your vote away on a third party is just as much a vote for evil as directly voting for Trump because it still serves to empower Trump and the GOP.
You’re basically saying you’re “moral purity” is more important than the people who will be directly impacted by a trump presidency. When trump decides to, or more accurately motivate others to, “purify” this country of it’s queers, Jews, and brown people my wife and I will have people like you to thank, who’s moral purity was somehow more important than my life. Your decision isn’t moral, it’s evil.
Would you like to discuss why what your said is not a strawman?
i imagine you understand what one is. You ostensibly have fingers, so you can Google it, and i imagine also that you have eyes, and therefore some understanding that what you have said has already been said, and said better, then you, just now.
Still here? Considering both of these points (and the implicit understanding between us that you also have a brain), what on gods green earth did you smoke that made you think this opinion was worth sharing with me?
Because you can’t possibly think you’d convince me with your ignorant, late, copy-cat finger-wagging.
Gosh. Letting out my frustration on you felt good. That probably wasn’t your intent though. What on earth were you attenpting to do?
No one replies to your moronic comments hoping to change your mind, it’s for anyone else who is impressionable that might find some twisted logic in your confused hogwash.
Ah! So it was for the peanut gallery. I hope you don’t take as much damage next time you take a bullet for the poor impressionable lurkers in future threads. I wonder if they will also witness your winning an argument you made up?
Are you the type who needs the last word? Please be my guest, hero.
Well, we made it pretty clear we were fed up with procorporate trash candidates in 2016. But then a bunch of pieces of shit decided they were voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries. We gave him a chance and he fucking blew it. Fuck Joe Biden and fuck everyone who voted for him in the primaries.
The few people on the Internet that read this or feel like you. Grow up. You’re not changing anything. You’re electing Trump. I’ve heard this bullshit for over 20 years and it’s been a slippery fucking slope.
They really do come across as naive children, the people who espouse this kind of belief. Demonstrating a lack of awareness of how complicated global politics are while also demonstrating a lack of awareness of how, in some ways, simple American politics are. They remind me of myself as a high schooler, all full of righteous indignation and hope for change without understanding how things work.
There will only be two choices for president, no matter how much we may want it to be otherwise or pretend that it could be otherwise. That will remain the case until we can get rid of first past the post and no amount of protesting is going to change that. If you truly want a third party candidate, your focus should be on getting rid of first pass the post. Until then, we only have two options.
Yes, that does mean our democracy is broken. No, that doesn’t mean it’s unsalvageable. And as I said above, a broken democracy is better than a fascist regime.
That’s the absolute worst part bc at that age I’d say shit like “well maybe they have to sacrifice their kids for there to even be a fucking future!” and thinking that’s reasonable. Getting older, and enough dystopian media about hard choices, I’ve learned to ask “why” a lot more and remember… What are we fighting for in the first place if we lose ourselves along the way? But yeah… You couldn’t change my mind then, even if I couldn’t see a Nazi on my doorstep like this. Very scary to be naive.
Sorry, no. You’re choosing Trump over Israel. Like it or not. It’s still your choice. Lesser of two evils or otherwise. I don’t like it. I don’t like voting for genocide either my friend, seriously. I hear you too. I don’t disagree what choice I’m making. But I’m making it. And I have to own it like every fiscal conservative holding their nose pulling the ballot lever for domestic cultural genocide in 2016. I’m choosing to fall back, count losses, live to fight another day, and fuck the families and children and babies in Gaza. I am not naive. I cry about those families and children. Damn near every fucking day. But I can’t help them one day, if I’m not around. It’s a catch-22, Sophie’s Choice. But it’s one of a million shit sandwiches in late stage capitalism. And it’s sadly not the one I’m going to throw my hands up at and elect the end of the US. (And I know you’re voting blue, just sharing. Please don’t read this as an aggression.)
No matter how much people vote against Biden, that won’t end the genocide. Regardless of the fact that Trump would carry it out probably more enthusiastically, neither of them have the power to stop Netanyahu. And Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit what Americans citizens think. He has the military might to subjugate the Palestinians with or without the US and he has made it clear that that’s what he intends to do.
Yeah, President’s don’t care about that shit. They’re beholden to their corporate donors, who are going to be pro-Israel. Geopolitics and oil resources are a bitch, aren’t they?
Ending genocide isn’t on the ballot this year, Trump is. Your choices are between probably more genocide if you don’t vote for Biden and possibly less genocide if you do vote for Biden. It’s really that simple.
Then fuck Joe Biden, fuck the Democrats, fuck this country and fuck this “Democracy”. You all can try to win the general on your own.
If you literally can’t tell the difference from 2016-2020 and 2020-2024, we can’t help you.
I don’t need your help. You need mine.
This is the perfect encapsulation of the “I’m not voting for an imperfect candidate” mindset. You’re ready to burn the house down, as if you weren’t in it too. (To be clear, “the house” in this metaphor is not just the US - fascist contagion will affect the entire world, just as Trump’s last presidency legitimized ultra-right politics in many countries.)
Also, if you reflected a bit, you’d see that that reaction is reasoning from a privileged position assuming that democracy continues to exist whatever your actions. It’s also focusing entirely on one specific foreseeable result (not voting for Biden = less genocide from Biden) while ignoring an entire landscape of probable outcomes (Trump becomes dictator, ends free elections, commits even more genocide against both Americans and countries he feuds with, Israel sees Trump’s chaos and realizes nobody has attention to spare and increases its genocide, etc).
We were perfectly clear in 2016 what was happening. People chose to vote for Biden in the 2020 primaries anyway. They deserve some portion of your anger.
I hope you see you will be to blame for the consequences
Nope. I’m going to blame every shithead who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. Fuck those people. Fuck every single one of them.
Look at that comment. Really, really, look at it.
Yes, we live in America and don’t get to vote on those sorts of things generally. The choices available are shitty and limited, if you haven’t figured that out yet I’ve got some terrible news because that’s how it works here. You can vote for the lesser evil and hope to move things in a better direction, or you can empower Trump and pretty much guarantee the horrorshow will be intensified.
I won’t vote for evil at all. Not if it means this. I’ve voted that way, (lesser evil) in hopes that i could do like you said, but it didn’t pan out that way in the 25 voting years I’ve experienced. The (quite likely) fact you have closer to that many total years as i have voting years, and that I’ve been a political hobbyist for most of those means your attempt at dismissal is a sloppy one.
Your judgment is not good then, I’ve been a voter for a bit longer than you. I don’t think you really have a choice in “voting for evil”, not voting or throwing your vote away on a third party is just as much a vote for evil as directly voting for Trump because it still serves to empower Trump and the GOP.
I dunno, i am ending this farce :D
You’re basically saying you’re “moral purity” is more important than the people who will be directly impacted by a trump presidency. When trump decides to, or more accurately motivate others to, “purify” this country of it’s queers, Jews, and brown people my wife and I will have people like you to thank, who’s moral purity was somehow more important than my life. Your decision isn’t moral, it’s evil.
Would you like to discuss why what your said is not a strawman?
i imagine you understand what one is. You ostensibly have fingers, so you can Google it, and i imagine also that you have eyes, and therefore some understanding that what you have said has already been said, and said better, then you, just now.
Still here? Considering both of these points (and the implicit understanding between us that you also have a brain), what on gods green earth did you smoke that made you think this opinion was worth sharing with me?
Because you can’t possibly think you’d convince me with your ignorant, late, copy-cat finger-wagging.
Gosh. Letting out my frustration on you felt good. That probably wasn’t your intent though. What on earth were you attenpting to do?
No one replies to your moronic comments hoping to change your mind, it’s for anyone else who is impressionable that might find some twisted logic in your confused hogwash.
Ah! So it was for the peanut gallery. I hope you don’t take as much damage next time you take a bullet for the poor impressionable lurkers in future threads. I wonder if they will also witness your winning an argument you made up?
Are you the type who needs the last word? Please be my guest, hero.
It would be if you cowards had the guts to tell Biden that he will lose if he continues to support genocide.
Sorry but that’s not how it works and insulting me won’t change anything.
That is how it works! Politicians change their policies based on what their supporters demand of them.
What do you think politics is? Do you think we’re helpless to the whims of politicians between election cycles?
You just want to absolve yourself of guilt for actively supporting genocide.
Again, insulting me won’t change anything. I obviously don’t support genocide. I’m done with whatever you’re doing.
You are voting for genocide. You can’t escape it.
By voting against Biden, including not voting, you are voting for genocide as well. But equally importantly, also voting for fascism.
Well, we made it pretty clear we were fed up with procorporate trash candidates in 2016. But then a bunch of pieces of shit decided they were voting for Biden in the 2020 primaries. We gave him a chance and he fucking blew it. Fuck Joe Biden and fuck everyone who voted for him in the primaries.
The few people on the Internet that read this or feel like you. Grow up. You’re not changing anything. You’re electing Trump. I’ve heard this bullshit for over 20 years and it’s been a slippery fucking slope.
They really do come across as naive children, the people who espouse this kind of belief. Demonstrating a lack of awareness of how complicated global politics are while also demonstrating a lack of awareness of how, in some ways, simple American politics are. They remind me of myself as a high schooler, all full of righteous indignation and hope for change without understanding how things work.
There will only be two choices for president, no matter how much we may want it to be otherwise or pretend that it could be otherwise. That will remain the case until we can get rid of first past the post and no amount of protesting is going to change that. If you truly want a third party candidate, your focus should be on getting rid of first pass the post. Until then, we only have two options.
Yes, that does mean our democracy is broken. No, that doesn’t mean it’s unsalvageable. And as I said above, a broken democracy is better than a fascist regime.
That’s the absolute worst part bc at that age I’d say shit like “well maybe they have to sacrifice their kids for there to even be a fucking future!” and thinking that’s reasonable. Getting older, and enough dystopian media about hard choices, I’ve learned to ask “why” a lot more and remember… What are we fighting for in the first place if we lose ourselves along the way? But yeah… You couldn’t change my mind then, even if I couldn’t see a Nazi on my doorstep like this. Very scary to be naive.
Sounds like you don’t need our votes then. Go win the 2024 general election all on your own.
Biden is electing Trump by alienating his base. 80% of Democrats want a ceasefire! What the fuck?!
Your cynicism is noted, but change is possible if you aren’t too much of a coward to try.
Sorry, no. You’re choosing Trump over Israel. Like it or not. It’s still your choice. Lesser of two evils or otherwise. I don’t like it. I don’t like voting for genocide either my friend, seriously. I hear you too. I don’t disagree what choice I’m making. But I’m making it. And I have to own it like every fiscal conservative holding their nose pulling the ballot lever for domestic cultural genocide in 2016. I’m choosing to fall back, count losses, live to fight another day, and fuck the families and children and babies in Gaza. I am not naive. I cry about those families and children. Damn near every fucking day. But I can’t help them one day, if I’m not around. It’s a catch-22, Sophie’s Choice. But it’s one of a million shit sandwiches in late stage capitalism. And it’s sadly not the one I’m going to throw my hands up at and elect the end of the US. (And I know you’re voting blue, just sharing. Please don’t read this as an aggression.)
No matter how much people vote against Biden, that won’t end the genocide. Regardless of the fact that Trump would carry it out probably more enthusiastically, neither of them have the power to stop Netanyahu. And Netanyahu doesn’t give a shit what Americans citizens think. He has the military might to subjugate the Palestinians with or without the US and he has made it clear that that’s what he intends to do.
Yeah, President’s don’t care about that shit. They’re beholden to their corporate donors, who are going to be pro-Israel. Geopolitics and oil resources are a bitch, aren’t they?