It seems that the issue was resolved behind closed doors, so it could have been resolved behind closed doors to begin with, and then if the defederation was to go ahead simply announce the defederation.

Making an announcement “it will be defederated in 48 hours” made for this weird countdown drama thread (we even had programming.dev people show up and be sad about defederation!) that didn’t really go anywhere, and then y’all just locked it when we refederated and made it clear that you were never interested in input and you’ll be running the instance as you please (which is well within your rights of course). So what was the point of the thread?

I can see how it is nice to have warning if a community you’re involved in is going to be defederated, but it also drags drama to our nice little corner of the fediverse, and pins it at the top of our feeds for all to see. In fact it shows up as the top of every feed for me, Local, All, and Subscribed. I can’t get away from it.

Every time these threads show up they end up blowing up. Honestly, if you didn’t make these threads, I wouldn’t care who you defederate. But because the thread exists, I have to come in and I have to have an opinion. That’s a personal issue and I recognize that, but I would hazard a guess that I’m not the only one. People who have never interacted with Blahaj nor the instance getting defederated show up in these threads sometimes. These threads invite drama, and for me personally, whenever they come up they make this space feel significantly less safe and make me want to leave Lemmy as a whole because it feels like it’s just nonstop defederation drama for days at a time, but it’s pinned at the top of my feed.

Maybe these threads actually provide utility, and I should just take these threads as a sign I should take a break from the Internet for a bit. But to me, they just seem like they’re all downsides.

  • Hildegarde
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    21 year ago

    I think these sorts of conflicts between instance administrations should be handled more quietly than this. The 48 hour defedration announcement was the top ranked post when I logged into lemmy world. I don’t think conflicts between administration teams should be made this big unless more sensible means of conflict resolution have already failed.

    Blahaj’s admins had reasonable concerns. Programming dev’s admins made reasonable concessions to avoid de-federation. This seems like something that could have, and should have been handled by direct negotiations between the admin teams. Public threads on the issue are valuable for community discussion during a dispute, but they should probably be kept in a place where interested users can find it, rather than a major announcement that users of every instance will be informed of.

    It’s good to inform users if a community will be defederated. But please keep it as a last resort instead of an opening salvo.