• @NocturnalMorning
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    -2811 months ago

    So it’s about money, as it always is. Going to war is always about money… I’m so tired of the U.S. being at war. We’ve been at war all but maybe 12 years of the U.S.'s existence. Don’t believe me? It’s surprising but true.

    • PugJesus
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      Unless your ideal is an autarkic Festung Amerika, shipping lanes kind of have to be able to operate without the civilian sailors who go through worrying about getting fucking killed.

      • @NocturnalMorning
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        Globalization isn’t a requirement. In fact, it’s completely destroying our planet and its habitability. But yeah, let’s worry about the shipping lanes.

        • PugJesus
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          Yeah, alright, you have fun with the idea that people exchanging goods without murdering each other is what’s destroying the planet. Terribly evil, globalization. Or that the collapse of shipping lanes wouldn’t result in incredible human suffering.

          • @NocturnalMorning
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            It’s called CO2 emissions, I’m sure you’re aware of it. The suffering climate change is going to cause in the coming decades will dwarf anything we’ve ever seen, unless we see a sharp decrease in emissions to zero very very soon, ideally 20 years ago. But, the next best time to do it is right now.

            • @[email protected]
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              If you are concerned about CO2, why is allowing a bunch of shitheels to close down THE SHORTEST route for shipping in the area a step forward?

            • PugJesus
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              The core issue of CO2 emissions isn’t “People now communicate, travel to, and trade with each other across the globe” but “Massive use of fossil fuels where they are not necessary due to corporate lobbying”

              Cargo ships and planes combined emit ~5% of our CO2 output. The major offenders are elsewhere.

              • @NocturnalMorning
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                -1311 months ago

                I’m not going to argue about this. We need to reduce our emissions to zero, that is not zero.

                • JJROKCZ
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                  We’ll never reduce to zero, stop engaging in fantasy delusions. What can do is make realistic effort to curb the largest offenders, which ocean shipping isn’t a part of. If you think we’re going to go back to the age of sail and multi-year journeys for items to reach destinations then you’re high

                  • @NocturnalMorning
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                    It’s not a fantasy, it’s literally the only thing that will save us. Scientists have been very very clear zero emissions is the only thing that will stop climate change. I live with one for God sakes. Don’t call me delusional. It’s the only rational thing to do, anything else is fucking crazy bcz it’s the difference between livable conditions here, and not. But don’t trust me, we’ll all see the consequences of our dumbest arguments in about a decade.

                  • @NocturnalMorning
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                    -311 months ago

                    It’s actually the only thing that’s going to save us. It’s not only rational, it’s the only logical conclusion one can come to from the overwhelming data on climate change. If you think burning fossil fuels is more important than having a habitable planet, then you’re not thinking clearly.

                • PugJesus
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                  411 months ago

                  We need to reduce our emissions to zero

                  What, literally zero and not net zero? That’s anprim bullshit.

                • BraveSirZaphod
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                  411 months ago

                  So, you exhale CO2 when you breath.

                  Draw whatever conclusions from that that you like.

                  • @NocturnalMorning
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                    -311 months ago

                    Yeah, and trees also exhale oxygen. What’s your point?

                • @yuriy
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                  You’re not going to argue because you literally can’t, your back is against the wall and the only thing you have left to cling to is “buh not zero!”

                  Go change the world somewhere else.

        • Flying Squid
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          Do explain how to get goods to and from that area without going through it. Or should that whole part of the world be cut off from global trade?

          • BraveSirZaphod
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            Obviously they should just triple their carbon emissions by going around Africa instead. This saves the environment!

            • Flying Squid
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              1111 months ago

              How are the merchant ships going through the Red Sea supporting genocide? Please explain.

            • @yuriy
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              811 months ago

              Could you explain that one for me? Because it really seems like you’re just saying shit here. 🤷‍♂️

              • @[email protected]
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                -111 months ago

                Ansar Allah, the group constituting Yemen’s de facto government, has stated it’s their legal obligation under international law to do everything in their power to prevent the genocide of Palestinians. As such, they are attempting to enforce a naval blockade of the Red Sea to any ships associated with Israel until the genocide ends.

              • @[email protected]
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                Sure, they said they’re only going to attack ships that are owned by, going to, or doing trade with Israel. There’s ships going through right now.