almost as much funding has gone to Ukraine versus US federal food stamp program and if they pump 50bl into US based defense spending it will be close to or more than we spend to assist feeding people
Yeah this is a walk and chew gum at the same time kind of thing. Both are valid issues and given the US budget, this is not a zero sum situation. The US could and should be doing better in both areas.
This funding is not “for” Ukraine. It’s for the military industrial complex — most of that money stayed in the US.
I personally haven’t supported 9/10 of US military actions since WW2, but Ukraine is a rare case where I do. So tell me… There are hundreds of billions in other spending that should be scrutinized before Ukraine — Why do you think we should let Putin invade and seize other countries?
… hear hear. There are few things I hate more in modern politics than having to align myself with our military-industrial complex, as it feels like a deep and personal betrayal of some of my own strongest and longest-held beliefs.
But … every tool has its purpose, and this is exactly what they’re for. Would they maybe, just maaaaybe, like … some more money?
If we’re bitching about imperialism you really have got to put Switzerland back on that list… It’s introduced and supported turmoil across the world while constantly profiting from it - go visit Zurich or Lucerne sometime and realize just how much international money is supporting every part of their economy.
Exactly. I would fully support expanding welfare and funding the shit out of Ukraine, and then raising upper tax brackets to pay for it all (in my country or theirs). I doubt OP does, so obviously money’s not the real problem.
And yet the very assholes complaining about Ukraine aid and blocking funding are also complaining about Food Stamps and other “entitlements” and refusing to take free federal dollars for things like child nutrition summer programs. Miss me with the bullshit. As if Republicans gave a fuck about funding the social safety net.
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/people-society/poverty/poverty-programs/nutrition-assistance-snap-spending/
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
almost as much funding has gone to Ukraine versus US federal food stamp program and if they pump 50bl into US based defense spending it will be close to or more than we spend to assist feeding people
This isn’t an either/or problem… We can do both. We can do both trivially.
Yeah this is a walk and chew gum at the same time kind of thing. Both are valid issues and given the US budget, this is not a zero sum situation. The US could and should be doing better in both areas.
This funding is not “for” Ukraine. It’s for the military industrial complex — most of that money stayed in the US.
I personally haven’t supported 9/10 of US military actions since WW2, but Ukraine is a rare case where I do. So tell me… There are hundreds of billions in other spending that should be scrutinized before Ukraine — Why do you think we should let Putin invade and seize other countries?
… hear hear. There are few things I hate more in modern politics than having to align myself with our military-industrial complex, as it feels like a deep and personal betrayal of some of my own strongest and longest-held beliefs.
But … every tool has its purpose, and this is exactly what they’re for. Would they maybe, just maaaaybe, like … some more money?
I will never understand how people don’t get this fact…the aid is loans to Ukraine and the money goes directly to US weapon manufacturers.
To be fair America famously does/did
What country hasn’t?
San Marino and Switzerland at least.
That said, imperialistic conquests of one country do not justify that of another.
If we’re bitching about imperialism you really have got to put Switzerland back on that list… It’s introduced and supported turmoil across the world while constantly profiting from it - go visit Zurich or Lucerne sometime and realize just how much international money is supporting every part of their economy.
No shit. That was my point.
No but it’s hard to cry about imperialism while funding genocidal imperialism.
No I don’t support Russia but the Biden administration are giant hypocrites
So, how is Russia doing any less different than the US according to your logic?
I’ll take hypocrisy any day over the apparent alternative of doing the imperialism and not helping anyone else resist imperialism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
Exactly. I would fully support expanding welfare and funding the shit out of Ukraine, and then raising upper tax brackets to pay for it all (in my country or theirs). I doubt OP does, so obviously money’s not the real problem.
And yet the very assholes complaining about Ukraine aid and blocking funding are also complaining about Food Stamps and other “entitlements” and refusing to take free federal dollars for things like child nutrition summer programs. Miss me with the bullshit. As if Republicans gave a fuck about funding the social safety net.