You can kindly take your shit opinion elsewhere. Most people who live pay to pay cannot get their life in order because they work 2 jobs.
Get some help.
Exactly! Flipping burgers is meant for KIDS as a first job! But also if I can’t get a speedy meal during my noon lunch break while the kids are at school I’m going to be PISSED!
If everyone who flips burgers gets a “better job” are you going to stop having burgers?
The issue is that while there is work that needs to be done, then there will be a need to pay people to do it. If you’re a business owner and you have work that needs to be done, and you can’t afford to pay your employees enough for them to pay their bills and lube decent lives, and you can’t personally take the hit to your own income to cover the difference, then your business should fail.
Right now, the arrangement forces people to work more than 40 hours a week – which is illegal, but companies get away with it because they don’t work at the same company for the whole time. In fact, many people with multiple jobs don’t even have full time jobs – they have 3 part time jobs, all working them less than 40 hours a week, so they don’t have to give them the benefits they’re required to provide for full time employees.
(Personally, when I was young I had multiple places scheduling me for 39.5 hours a week. Now I’m a white collar FTE and I work 35 hours a week.)
So, next time you call someone who’s flipping burgers “lazy,” think about how lazy a person must be to work 100 hours a week. Is that what laziness looks like to you? How many hours a week do you have to work too not be considered not lazy?
Because, the thing is, you know they aren’t lacy. They’re working their fingers to the bone, and have much shittier and shorter lives than middle class people. Calling them lazy (or stupid or unlucky or whatever) is how you rationalize the fact that you’re unwilling to accept any inconvenience it might cause you to help them.
In this scenario – aka, the real world, the world we are in right now – they are working harder than the rest of us are, for less money.
Why can’t they just flip burgers from the age of 16 till 65? What if they don’t mind the work, they have a full and fulfilling life outside of work, and their job is just what they do to make ends meet? Does that mean they deserve to live in debt and working 100 hours a week? Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that, in any economic system, capitalism or otherwise, not everyone can move up?
It’s literally not possible. There have to be people flipping the burgers. That’s a fact of the system; there’s no way around that. And it’s ok – not perfect, but acceptable – as long as we treat those people with dignity and respect.
And that means paying them enough to survive – and thrive – on 40 hours a week. No one’s saying they should have enough money to buy megayachts – or even regular yachts. But they should be able to buy a shitty canoe – and still be able to pay all their bills, and not have to work more than 40 hours.
If you’re concerned about the possibility that, if they earn more, you’ll earn less, that’s just not true. There’s no scenario in the USA where a company is charging customers any less than the most they possibly can, and paying their workers any more than as little as possible. That’s literally the law. There is plenty of extra money that can be used to cover the needs of our poorest people – and to raise the salaries of more scarce labor who would otherwise turn to flipping burgers if burger-flipping salaries went up.
Literally every business that’s even a little successful has extra money. (“Extra money” is also known as profit.) There is no reason why one person should have to work more than 40 hours a week while another person has more money then they can possibly spend in a lifetime; it’s illogical and irrational, and cruel.
Well obviously because burger flippers are only detrimental to society. These people should be THANKFUL we’re paying them at all to play around behind a stove all day!
In all seriousness, lad has some screws loose, you’re wasting time and effort if you expect to change their opinion. Dudes a slave to the system he’s defending. Sad.
Yeah I’m kind of dumb like that. But honestly I don’t actually do it for them – I do it for noobs. Like, there’s a long way for that person to go before my input will be helpful – but there are young people who have heard those arguments and may not have a compelling response – so hopefully my post will help.
I’m pretty sure I could buy you and your whole family if it was for sale
Wouldn’t have any time to do anything with them while you’re working multiple jobs just to maintain your “quality” of life. What are you doing on Lemmy anyway? get back to work!
Kinda a chicken and egg thing ain’t it? System sucks, I was born into a shit system, and learned from it, so now I’m a slave to it. What if I told you people are, on average, doing absolutely everything they can to not be paycheck to paycheck? Even the “welfare queens” I’m sure you’ll bring up next are a product of the fucked up system were born into. And also what if I told you people can be working on bettering their own positions while also pointing out that the system they are forced to take part in is absolutely rigged? Get the fuck outta here.
The system can be abused, sure. I also have a working brain and choose not to, because every person who has abused the system and gotten fat off it has done so off the suffering and legitimate work put in by those who are in less fortunate spots.
The simple reality is that the system only works if you were born in the right spot, or if you’re one of those lucky enough to be pulled up, simply so some dumbass on a forum can go “see? See? It works sometimes! Use it to your advantage instead of complaining!” Fuck capitalism, not because it can’t be used to ones advantage but because it necessarily screws over anyone who isn’t frankly a psychopath, and fuck anyone who thinks it’s a good system.
That may be the case, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t point out the flaws of the system and work to make them better. I’d probably be complaining about the aristocracy then, too. Hopefully in the place that fuckin beheaded them.
I also don’t know why you seem to believe that someone can’t be bettering their own life while also complaining about the flaws of the system they’re in. You have problems walking and talking too?
What change do you propose? Being born ultra rich?
If you work hard and become a professional you can make 100-120k in your 30s. Maybe as much as 150 if you get lucky. Those jobs exist in places where rent is 50% take home and ownership is completely off the table.
Do you suggest working a Denny’s in a rural area? Fuck that and fuck you.
So I need to do your research for you? I thought mister “Provide an answer and educate yourself while researching it” would have, you know, researched it and would have a source for his bold claims.
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You can kindly take your shit opinion elsewhere. Most people who live pay to pay cannot get their life in order because they work 2 jobs.
Get some help.
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Exactly! Flipping burgers is meant for KIDS as a first job! But also if I can’t get a speedy meal during my noon lunch break while the kids are at school I’m going to be PISSED!
If everyone who flips burgers gets a “better job” are you going to stop having burgers?
The issue is that while there is work that needs to be done, then there will be a need to pay people to do it. If you’re a business owner and you have work that needs to be done, and you can’t afford to pay your employees enough for them to pay their bills and lube decent lives, and you can’t personally take the hit to your own income to cover the difference, then your business should fail.
Right now, the arrangement forces people to work more than 40 hours a week – which is illegal, but companies get away with it because they don’t work at the same company for the whole time. In fact, many people with multiple jobs don’t even have full time jobs – they have 3 part time jobs, all working them less than 40 hours a week, so they don’t have to give them the benefits they’re required to provide for full time employees.
(Personally, when I was young I had multiple places scheduling me for 39.5 hours a week. Now I’m a white collar FTE and I work 35 hours a week.)
So, next time you call someone who’s flipping burgers “lazy,” think about how lazy a person must be to work 100 hours a week. Is that what laziness looks like to you? How many hours a week do you have to work too not be considered not lazy?
Because, the thing is, you know they aren’t lacy. They’re working their fingers to the bone, and have much shittier and shorter lives than middle class people. Calling them lazy (or stupid or unlucky or whatever) is how you rationalize the fact that you’re unwilling to accept any inconvenience it might cause you to help them.
In this scenario – aka, the real world, the world we are in right now – they are working harder than the rest of us are, for less money.
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Why can’t they just flip burgers from the age of 16 till 65? What if they don’t mind the work, they have a full and fulfilling life outside of work, and their job is just what they do to make ends meet? Does that mean they deserve to live in debt and working 100 hours a week? Are you so ignorant that you don’t understand that, in any economic system, capitalism or otherwise, not everyone can move up?
It’s literally not possible. There have to be people flipping the burgers. That’s a fact of the system; there’s no way around that. And it’s ok – not perfect, but acceptable – as long as we treat those people with dignity and respect.
And that means paying them enough to survive – and thrive – on 40 hours a week. No one’s saying they should have enough money to buy megayachts – or even regular yachts. But they should be able to buy a shitty canoe – and still be able to pay all their bills, and not have to work more than 40 hours.
If you’re concerned about the possibility that, if they earn more, you’ll earn less, that’s just not true. There’s no scenario in the USA where a company is charging customers any less than the most they possibly can, and paying their workers any more than as little as possible. That’s literally the law. There is plenty of extra money that can be used to cover the needs of our poorest people – and to raise the salaries of more scarce labor who would otherwise turn to flipping burgers if burger-flipping salaries went up.
Literally every business that’s even a little successful has extra money. (“Extra money” is also known as profit.) There is no reason why one person should have to work more than 40 hours a week while another person has more money then they can possibly spend in a lifetime; it’s illogical and irrational, and cruel.
Well obviously because burger flippers are only detrimental to society. These people should be THANKFUL we’re paying them at all to play around behind a stove all day!
In all seriousness, lad has some screws loose, you’re wasting time and effort if you expect to change their opinion. Dudes a slave to the system he’s defending. Sad.
Yeah I’m kind of dumb like that. But honestly I don’t actually do it for them – I do it for noobs. Like, there’s a long way for that person to go before my input will be helpful – but there are young people who have heard those arguments and may not have a compelling response – so hopefully my post will help.
wtf are you talking about? Do you think we don’t need plumbers? Nurses? Get a job loser
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See here the man not only a slave to the system, but placing the shackles on his own arms and legs! Capitalism is wonderful!
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Monetarily isn’t the only way one can be enslaved.
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Wouldn’t have any time to do anything with them while you’re working multiple jobs just to maintain your “quality” of life. What are you doing on Lemmy anyway? get back to work!
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Kinda a chicken and egg thing ain’t it? System sucks, I was born into a shit system, and learned from it, so now I’m a slave to it. What if I told you people are, on average, doing absolutely everything they can to not be paycheck to paycheck? Even the “welfare queens” I’m sure you’ll bring up next are a product of the fucked up system were born into. And also what if I told you people can be working on bettering their own positions while also pointing out that the system they are forced to take part in is absolutely rigged? Get the fuck outta here.
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The system can be abused, sure. I also have a working brain and choose not to, because every person who has abused the system and gotten fat off it has done so off the suffering and legitimate work put in by those who are in less fortunate spots.
The simple reality is that the system only works if you were born in the right spot, or if you’re one of those lucky enough to be pulled up, simply so some dumbass on a forum can go “see? See? It works sometimes! Use it to your advantage instead of complaining!” Fuck capitalism, not because it can’t be used to ones advantage but because it necessarily screws over anyone who isn’t frankly a psychopath, and fuck anyone who thinks it’s a good system.
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That may be the case, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t point out the flaws of the system and work to make them better. I’d probably be complaining about the aristocracy then, too. Hopefully in the place that fuckin beheaded them.
I also don’t know why you seem to believe that someone can’t be bettering their own life while also complaining about the flaws of the system they’re in. You have problems walking and talking too?
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Sit down, bud. I have NO idea what you’re talking about, I think you busted something.
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“Soros, who was born into a prosperous Jewish family…”
https://www.britannica.com/biography/George-Soros
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Hmmm, which source is more trustworthy? Britannica with their biography, or Business Insider with their click-bait article? Hard to say…
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>If you had a working brain you would totally “fuck capitalism”
What change do you propose? Being born ultra rich?
If you work hard and become a professional you can make 100-120k in your 30s. Maybe as much as 150 if you get lucky. Those jobs exist in places where rent is 50% take home and ownership is completely off the table.
Do you suggest working a Denny’s in a rural area? Fuck that and fuck you.
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All the people who are ultra rich
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So I need to do your research for you? I thought mister “Provide an answer and educate yourself while researching it” would have, you know, researched it and would have a source for his bold claims.
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So you get to make bold claims without a source but everyone else needs a source when they point out that you’re full of shit. Got it.
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