Saying exactly what they’re doing,
backing the rise of terrorists to create pretext,
Killing a meaningful portion of the population,
Rendering the whole of Gaza uninhabitable (UN’s words) along with much of the other territory - through bombings, cuts to water, power food, aid, medical supplies, and trade (including the building supplies that would make rebuilding possible),
Halting movement - particularly the ability to return home if you ever need to leave,
encouraging Israeli “settlers” to displace ~10% of the population
Shrugging their shoulders at those “settlers” and Israelis broadly killing Palestinians,
Conducting targeted strikes on the media in Palestinian territory,
Committing constant warcrimes
Israel having the means to commit this genocide
At what point will you look at Israel’s genocidal rhetoric and actions and recognise them as genocidal? Is this only something that’ll be settled after every last Palestinian is dead?
Are you able to point to meaningful differences in rhetoric or action between the Israeli government and Novemberpogrome-era Nazi Germany?
You make good points. The number dead of 25,000~ is widely reported in the press and, as I understand it, compiled from records from Gaza, not Israel, so I find it credible. Your claim that 250x (6,500,000) more people have died is incredible, in light of the fact that the entirety of Gaza is only 2.5 million people and we can look and count the nearly 1.2 million of them who have signed in at UN refugee camps.
The whole of Gaza is uninhabitable because someone turned its foundation into swiss cheese with a bunch of unpermitted tunneling.
Yes - Gaza being habitable (albeit an open-air concentration camp) prior to October 7th has everything to do with the kind of Israeli-built tunnels under the hospitals they bombed, and nothing to do with the massive bombing campaign.
It’s becoming clear why you didn’t answer where the line for genocide is, knowing that Gaza being levelled apparently has nothing to do with Israel bombing the shit out of them.
The line for genocide is when a state starts killing people based on their genes with the intent to eliminate those genes from the population. I’m not playing hide the ball. You’re the one saying it’s a genocide. I don’t have to prove why it’s not, you have to prove why it is.
You’ve made some arguments, but to me 0.004%, or even 1%, combined with the fact that Israel certainly has the means to turn Gaza and the West Bank into dust within twenty minutes, speaks for itself.
Also am able to seperate the current far right leadership in Israel from the country of Israel and the people of Israel, just as I am able to seperate Hamas from Gazans.
As far as I am concerned though, the Gazan people put Hamas in charge and sold out any country, and any hope they might of had of having Gaza as their country on October 7. I find Israel has just cause to annihilate that tunnel network. It is unfortunate the Gazans put Hamas in charge and Hamas decided to conduct their war right below people’s houses and underneath essential infrastructure. As a result, the entire area is condemned from a structural and public health standpoint. They forfeited their home on October 7 to kill like 1,000 civilians, for what, disagreeing as to which version of Sky Daddy is true? The obvious response was going to be that Israel would bomb the tunnels, it’s a just and proportionate response. When that’s done, nothing left to do but pave over the rubble and start rebuilding. Israel’s claim to Gaza may have at one time been illegal, but it’s now the superior claim, either way. Gaza is now a collapsed state, if it even was a state. Hamas used it as an instrumentality of war and terrorism and dug unsafe tunnels under the city, and the whole place is unstable now that the tunnels are bombed out. I’d call it irredentism now, because the goal is to make it habitable and goveranable again.
Remaining Hamas should be tried in court as terrorists or handled as prisoners of war. And for any found still resisting, trying to effectuate additional tunnel warfare, rocket attacks, or terrorism, a just and moral sentence is death.
The daily death tolls are going to continue trending downward though, because really, it’s not a genocide. Bet. If they do, will you admit then it’s not a genocide?
They’re an apartheid ethnostate saying the below (you get the quote dump too). Yeah - while Hamas are a product of Israeli aggression and support (to displace secular moderates to create the pretext for this genocide, which is now wearing thin with the US because of the obvious genocide, causing the slowdown), Hamas members should be tried just the same as anyone else - Israeli or otherwise.
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil (Palestine) from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites…
I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you not studied on the Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites…
I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
Time will tell.
Israeli leadership already have.
0.004%, though. The military’s actions do not match the rhetoric of a few extremist elected officials.
They’ve killed more than 250x what you’re saying.
Aside from
At what point will you look at Israel’s genocidal rhetoric and actions and recognise them as genocidal? Is this only something that’ll be settled after every last Palestinian is dead?
Are you able to point to meaningful differences in rhetoric or action between the Israeli government and Novemberpogrome-era Nazi Germany?
You make good points. The number dead of 25,000~ is widely reported in the press and, as I understand it, compiled from records from Gaza, not Israel, so I find it credible. Your claim that 250x (6,500,000) more people have died is incredible, in light of the fact that the entirety of Gaza is only 2.5 million people and we can look and count the nearly 1.2 million of them who have signed in at UN refugee camps.
The whole of Gaza is uninhabitable because someone turned its foundation into swiss cheese with a bunch of unpermitted tunneling.
That wasn’t your claim - you said 0.004% of the population - it’s widely, credibily reported they’ve killed over 1% of the population.
Yes - Gaza being habitable (albeit an open-air concentration camp) prior to October 7th has everything to do with the kind of Israeli-built tunnels under the hospitals they bombed, and nothing to do with the massive bombing campaign.
It’s becoming clear why you didn’t answer where the line for genocide is, knowing that Gaza being levelled apparently has nothing to do with Israel bombing the shit out of them.
The line for genocide is when a state starts killing people based on their genes with the intent to eliminate those genes from the population. I’m not playing hide the ball. You’re the one saying it’s a genocide. I don’t have to prove why it’s not, you have to prove why it is.
You’ve made some arguments, but to me 0.004%, or even 1%, combined with the fact that Israel certainly has the means to turn Gaza and the West Bank into dust within twenty minutes, speaks for itself.
Also am able to seperate the current far right leadership in Israel from the country of Israel and the people of Israel, just as I am able to seperate Hamas from Gazans.
As far as I am concerned though, the Gazan people put Hamas in charge and sold out any country, and any hope they might of had of having Gaza as their country on October 7. I find Israel has just cause to annihilate that tunnel network. It is unfortunate the Gazans put Hamas in charge and Hamas decided to conduct their war right below people’s houses and underneath essential infrastructure. As a result, the entire area is condemned from a structural and public health standpoint. They forfeited their home on October 7 to kill like 1,000 civilians, for what, disagreeing as to which version of Sky Daddy is true? The obvious response was going to be that Israel would bomb the tunnels, it’s a just and proportionate response. When that’s done, nothing left to do but pave over the rubble and start rebuilding. Israel’s claim to Gaza may have at one time been illegal, but it’s now the superior claim, either way. Gaza is now a collapsed state, if it even was a state. Hamas used it as an instrumentality of war and terrorism and dug unsafe tunnels under the city, and the whole place is unstable now that the tunnels are bombed out. I’d call it irredentism now, because the goal is to make it habitable and goveranable again.
Remaining Hamas should be tried in court as terrorists or handled as prisoners of war. And for any found still resisting, trying to effectuate additional tunnel warfare, rocket attacks, or terrorism, a just and moral sentence is death.
The daily death tolls are going to continue trending downward though, because really, it’s not a genocide. Bet. If they do, will you admit then it’s not a genocide?
They’re an apartheid ethnostate saying the below (you get the quote dump too). Yeah - while Hamas are a product of Israeli aggression and support (to displace secular moderates to create the pretext for this genocide, which is now wearing thin with the US because of the obvious genocide, causing the slowdown), Hamas members should be tried just the same as anyone else - Israeli or otherwise.
Prime Minister Netanyahu
and
and
“Defence” minister Galant
Kallner…
Atbaryan…
Halevi…
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
0.004% of all Palestinians. 1% of Gaza.
The claim is that there is a genocide of Palestinian people.
Genocide means they are trying for 100%.
They are - but don’t take my word for it.
Prime Minister Netanyahu
and
and
“Defence” minister Galant
Kallner…
Atbaryan…
Halevi…
In case you not studied on the Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
A few cherry picked quotes that don’t match the current facts on the ground.