• @thantik
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    What you described there is not what a human right consists of. Sure, governments should do exactly what you say, but something considered a ‘human right’ has much higher standards. It MUST be met. It’s not an optional strive-to-do-our-best situation.

    • @DoYouNot
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      135 months ago

      I mean healthcare is definitely a human right, but there is always more we could be doing. That’s a kind of arbitrary distinction that I don’t think adds anything to the discussion here.

      Basic human needs are basic human rights. I really do think it’s as simple as that.

      • @thantik
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        -85 months ago

        Healthcare is not a human right. It’s a societal right granted to you by those around you.

        • @DoYouNot
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          35 months ago

          Deep in that American politique, eh?

          • @thantik
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            5 months ago

            It’s called philosophy. You should try it sometime. Understanding the worlds truths at a deeper level allows you to more precisely consolidate them into a unified opinion of things. Helps to be concise and rigorously authentic to their principles.

            • @DoYouNot
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              45 months ago

              I’m not sure blasting adhoc justifications for what you feel is really philosophy, but if that’s what we’re doing… My mistake. Philosophy then. So tell me, Socrates, what is a human right?

    • Zagorath
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      Umm, no. That’s just not correct. A human right is anything a human should have the right to. End of.

      The practicalities of how we achieve that are a separate concern.

      • @thantik
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        5 months ago

        A human right is anything a human should have the right to.

        In that case, you have no rights at all. Not even to speech, or the right not to be killed. “Rights” are invented by the society we live in. You have literally none in the natural world. As it exists, “Rights” are a religious idea. (Hence, “God-given rights”)

        The practicalities are of the utmost concern, because those practicalities are governed by the society which recognizes them as rights. As of now, there is no “human right to shelter”.

        • Zagorath
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          105 months ago

          you have no rights at all

          Wrong

          Not even to speech, or the right not to be killed

          Wrong

          “Rights” are invented by the society we live in

          Correct

          You have literally none in the natural world

          Correct

          As it exists, “Rights” are a religious idea

          Lol what? Where did you even get that idea?

        • @[email protected]
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          35 months ago

          Govt. does its best to ensure citizens aren’t murdered, yet it still happens.

          Shouldn’t housing be similarly considered a right like the right to life?

          • @thantik
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            -25 months ago

            Housing isn’t free. Not killing someone is.

              • @thantik
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                25 months ago

                That’s enforcement, those police officers don’t need to exist for you not to kill someone…

                Or do they?