I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?
As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.
How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
Be careful what you wish for - Canada committed itself to barely restricted immigration, and it’s done untold damage to our country. Our PM proclaimed us “the first post-national state”, but things have only got worse ever since.
Previously high housing costs are skyrocketing as demand now greatly exceeds supply.
Healthcare and transportation systems that haven’t seen investment in decades are now being crushed under the load.
Wages are under strong downward pressure while the cost of living continues to rise relentlessly.
AI and automation are hollowing out what last good jobs remain, yet our government claims we need ever more people. More, more! More meat for the grinder, more low paid workers to exploit, more sardines to pack into tiny tins for the benefit of the landlord class.
Most Canadians who were born here or immigrated 10-20 years ago are now talking openly about leaving, but we have nowhere to go. No other country is dumb enough to throw their borders open to us without being very careful to only select those that will bring benefit to their countries, with specific and essential skills.
We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
Borders have not always been so precisely defined, and the strict, universal passport system we have today mostly came out of WW1
You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
What is this xenophobic nonsense? As if physical geography, population, culture, and language have no inertia. But more importantly, why are you concerned with demographic purity as your defining characteristic for a “country”? Why is maintaining this segregation important to you anyway?
Fair, I should have stated instead that “the free movement of populations has been controlled” since the dawn of civilization. Usually by guys with spears rather than by means of documents, true. But we live in a time with more freedom of movement than ever before, and the era of WW1 also happened to coincide with large-scale mechanized transport giving more people the option to travel than ever before.
As for the second part of your comment, rather than rise to the standard bait offered on Lemmy (“muh xenophobia!”) I refer you to my nearby comment, surely visible when you typed this one, that details several ways in which uncontrolled population growth has damaged my country.
None of which have anything to do with segregation or demographic purity.
I’m sorry that your government has failed to fund social services and regulate the housing market. I am unconvinced that this is the fault of migration
The problem is not even the numbers but the rapid rate increase, which is why I advocate against completely open borders. With open borders, you can’t make plans, maybe millions will come next year, maybe nobody?
Those regulations and funds have to be in place before we can welcome a large number of people.
For many years Canada had a low population and low growth rate. Most Canadians had been taught the same thing, “the world is overpopulated, Canada is not, be responsible and don’t have too many kids” and so we were a replacement rate society. Infrastructure was maintained, not built. A trickle of immigration helped keep our population growing at a sustainable rate.
Then we see a sudden shift in federal policy to taking 1 million immigrants per year on a population of 30 million. That’s a 3% growth rate which is the highest in the G8.
Now we have cities and provinces screaming “don’t send immigrants here we are full” because nothing else has grown at 3%. Our GDP per citizen is dropping as we haven’t created jobs at the same rate, so the tax base hasn’t grown, and infrastructure takes decades to plan and implement due to excess red tape.
Also you have to consider unforseen issues like 1 working age immigrant then bringing their entire extended family who are not working age. Our population was already aging, but we are importing more retirees than we are workers, resulting in a net loss when it comes to social service funding. Healthcare was already strained and is now near the breaking point in many regions.
The DNC bots will always manufacture some existential crisis using fear to get people to vote for their candidate to further there economic agenda. With there not being a democratic primary they have made their choice to risk democracy itself. I will always vote against fascists but don’t shovel me a shit sandwitch and expect me to like eating it. They didn’t even try to give us the illusion of choice between shit sandwiches this time.
If it wasn’t trump it’d be something/someone else. I’ve seen this for the past 45 years. It’s the same every election. The republicans use the same tactic “if you dont vote for Bush the democrats are gonna take your guns away”. Every election recycle and repeat.
Check out a book called Manufacturing Consent and you’ll start seeing how your very own consent has already been manufactured.
I’ve also seen this. Gore was one of the most genuine public servants out there (which is apparent when you look at his congressional record), but he was caught in a narrative of “both sides are the same”. I believed that narrative at the time, but it didn’t take long after to persuade me otherwise.
I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?
As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.
How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
We don’t need one.
Be careful what you wish for - Canada committed itself to barely restricted immigration, and it’s done untold damage to our country. Our PM proclaimed us “the first post-national state”, but things have only got worse ever since.
Previously high housing costs are skyrocketing as demand now greatly exceeds supply.
Healthcare and transportation systems that haven’t seen investment in decades are now being crushed under the load.
Wages are under strong downward pressure while the cost of living continues to rise relentlessly.
AI and automation are hollowing out what last good jobs remain, yet our government claims we need ever more people. More, more! More meat for the grinder, more low paid workers to exploit, more sardines to pack into tiny tins for the benefit of the landlord class.
Most Canadians who were born here or immigrated 10-20 years ago are now talking openly about leaving, but we have nowhere to go. No other country is dumb enough to throw their borders open to us without being very careful to only select those that will bring benefit to their countries, with specific and essential skills.
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Borders have not always been so precisely defined, and the strict, universal passport system we have today mostly came out of WW1
What is this xenophobic nonsense? As if physical geography, population, culture, and language have no inertia. But more importantly, why are you concerned with demographic purity as your defining characteristic for a “country”? Why is maintaining this segregation important to you anyway?
Fair, I should have stated instead that “the free movement of populations has been controlled” since the dawn of civilization. Usually by guys with spears rather than by means of documents, true. But we live in a time with more freedom of movement than ever before, and the era of WW1 also happened to coincide with large-scale mechanized transport giving more people the option to travel than ever before.
As for the second part of your comment, rather than rise to the standard bait offered on Lemmy (“muh xenophobia!”) I refer you to my nearby comment, surely visible when you typed this one, that details several ways in which uncontrolled population growth has damaged my country.
None of which have anything to do with segregation or demographic purity.
I’m sorry that your government has failed to fund social services and regulate the housing market. I am unconvinced that this is the fault of migration
The problem is not even the numbers but the rapid rate increase, which is why I advocate against completely open borders. With open borders, you can’t make plans, maybe millions will come next year, maybe nobody?
Those regulations and funds have to be in place before we can welcome a large number of people.
For many years Canada had a low population and low growth rate. Most Canadians had been taught the same thing, “the world is overpopulated, Canada is not, be responsible and don’t have too many kids” and so we were a replacement rate society. Infrastructure was maintained, not built. A trickle of immigration helped keep our population growing at a sustainable rate.
Then we see a sudden shift in federal policy to taking 1 million immigrants per year on a population of 30 million. That’s a 3% growth rate which is the highest in the G8.
Now we have cities and provinces screaming “don’t send immigrants here we are full” because nothing else has grown at 3%. Our GDP per citizen is dropping as we haven’t created jobs at the same rate, so the tax base hasn’t grown, and infrastructure takes decades to plan and implement due to excess red tape.
Also you have to consider unforseen issues like 1 working age immigrant then bringing their entire extended family who are not working age. Our population was already aging, but we are importing more retirees than we are workers, resulting in a net loss when it comes to social service funding. Healthcare was already strained and is now near the breaking point in many regions.
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Relevant username for sure
What borders are insecure?
The DNC bots will always manufacture some existential crisis using fear to get people to vote for their candidate to further there economic agenda. With there not being a democratic primary they have made their choice to risk democracy itself. I will always vote against fascists but don’t shovel me a shit sandwitch and expect me to like eating it. They didn’t even try to give us the illusion of choice between shit sandwiches this time.
You read it here first: Trump is a manufactured crisis to drum up votes.
If it wasn’t trump it’d be something/someone else. I’ve seen this for the past 45 years. It’s the same every election. The republicans use the same tactic “if you dont vote for Bush the democrats are gonna take your guns away”. Every election recycle and repeat.
Check out a book called Manufacturing Consent and you’ll start seeing how your very own consent has already been manufactured.
I’ve also seen this. Gore was one of the most genuine public servants out there (which is apparent when you look at his congressional record), but he was caught in a narrative of “both sides are the same”. I believed that narrative at the time, but it didn’t take long after to persuade me otherwise.