Japan’s current capabilities are officially better than the US and Russia, but worse than China and India.
Hm.
Edit: for anyone who questions this, answer me: when was the last Russian moon landing? The last American moon landing? How many people who worked on those missions do you think still work for Roscosmos/NASA today?
I think ‘age of the last moon landing’ is a pretty piss poor metric for how well a space program is doing. Remember two years ago when NASA landed the most advanced rover ever built and a friggin helicopter on mars? Remember how the helicopter was only designed to last a handful of sols and flights but is still to this day flying actual survey missions scouting for the rover?
I’m sorry but I think your metric for what ranks various space agencies capabilities is absolutely hog wash.
EDIT: You also seem to have missed in your assessment, the primary mission goal of the SLIM Lander. Japan was testing a landing technology that would allow vehicles to land ‘within 100 meters of a chosen landing site’. A goal JAXA achieved with this mission despite the solar panel issue. To give some context, up until now most landing sites are chosen for a margin of error up to several Kilometers.
Yeah how recently did you do something completely new. Japan and India definitely get credit for moon landing, it’s difficult and impressive. But it’s also not pushing any boundaries anymore.
What a stupid metric to base competency off of. NASA has successfully landed on Mars 6 times in the last 20 years; the most recent of which included a drone, achieving the first ever controlled powered flight on another planet(and it’s still going, over 60+ flights more than the “optimistic” 5 that were planned).
Landing on Mars is exponentially harder than landing on the Moon, and only NASA and CNSA(China) have fully succeeded at it(The USSR’s Mars 3 only gets partial credit imo), and only NASA has done it more than once(9 times total, to be specific)
But when was the last time they landed on the Moon?
1972, which was the last time NASA even bothered attempting to land on the moon at all(well, soft land. They’ve sent up an impactor since then). It’s not like they kept trying and suddenly started failing, they just never planned another landing mission until Artemis 2 and 3.
Tell me though, what did Apollo 17 have that every moon mission since has not had? Oh yeah, people, and not even for the first time ever, no. That was the 6th time in a roughly 3 year timeframe that NASA put people on the moon. Oh yeah, and on all 6 of those occasions, and even the disastrous Apollo 13, all the astronauts made it home safe.
So the last time NASA even tried to land on the moon, they 100% successfully did so, while doing something for the 6th time that no other space agency to this day has done before or since.
Let me know when JAXA puts people on the moon, and then we can talk about them being more capable than NASA.
NASA tells us they’ll have Artemis ready by, what, next year?
Yawn, I’m so tired of this argument. Literally all you guys ever say nowadays when trying to denigrate NASA is “You really think Artemis will launch on time? lol”. I’ve been hearing the same low effort argument since well before Artemis 1 launched. How about expounding on it for once and actually explain why you think Artemis will fail, as you clearly think it will? Not be delayed, fail. Everyone paying attention(clearly you weren’t, or you would have already known and not needed to edit your post) knew for over a year prior to the official delay announcement that A2 and A3 would be delayed, that does not mean anything as far as the success of the actual mission goes.
Sure, congress could slash their budget, as they’re often prone to doing, which could possibly kill the program, but that still says nothing about NASA’s technical capabilities.
Japan’s current capabilities are officially better than the US and Russia, but worse than China and India.
Hm.
Edit: for anyone who questions this, answer me: when was the last Russian moon landing? The last American moon landing? How many people who worked on those missions do you think still work for Roscosmos/NASA today?
I think ‘age of the last moon landing’ is a pretty piss poor metric for how well a space program is doing. Remember two years ago when NASA landed the most advanced rover ever built and a friggin helicopter on mars? Remember how the helicopter was only designed to last a handful of sols and flights but is still to this day flying actual survey missions scouting for the rover?
I’m sorry but I think your metric for what ranks various space agencies capabilities is absolutely hog wash.
EDIT: You also seem to have missed in your assessment, the primary mission goal of the SLIM Lander. Japan was testing a landing technology that would allow vehicles to land ‘within 100 meters of a chosen landing site’. A goal JAXA achieved with this mission despite the solar panel issue. To give some context, up until now most landing sites are chosen for a margin of error up to several Kilometers.
Yeah how recently did you do something completely new. Japan and India definitely get credit for moon landing, it’s difficult and impressive. But it’s also not pushing any boundaries anymore.
Did you miss the second half of my comment?
Usa landed on mars and europe landed on a asteroid I think
Hayabusa - JAXA - Asteroid probe that returned surface samples from 25143 Itokawa
Mars Perseverance 2020 - NASA - First powered atmospheric flight test on another planet
Rosetta - ESA - Comet orbiter and lander.
Idk what op is on about.
What a stupid metric to base competency off of. NASA has successfully landed on Mars 6 times in the last 20 years; the most recent of which included a drone, achieving the first ever controlled powered flight on another planet(and it’s still going, over 60+ flights more than the “optimistic” 5 that were planned).
Landing on Mars is exponentially harder than landing on the Moon, and only NASA and CNSA(China) have fully succeeded at it(The USSR’s Mars 3 only gets partial credit imo), and only NASA has done it more than once(9 times total, to be specific)
But when was the last time they landed on the Moon?
NASA tells us they’ll have Artemis ready by, what, next year?
Edit: oops they delayed it
1972, which was the last time NASA even bothered attempting to land on the moon at all(well, soft land. They’ve sent up an impactor since then). It’s not like they kept trying and suddenly started failing, they just never planned another landing mission until Artemis 2 and 3.
Tell me though, what did Apollo 17 have that every moon mission since has not had? Oh yeah, people, and not even for the first time ever, no. That was the 6th time in a roughly 3 year timeframe that NASA put people on the moon. Oh yeah, and on all 6 of those occasions, and even the disastrous Apollo 13, all the astronauts made it home safe.
So the last time NASA even tried to land on the moon, they 100% successfully did so, while doing something for the 6th time that no other space agency to this day has done before or since.
Let me know when JAXA puts people on the moon, and then we can talk about them being more capable than NASA.
Yawn, I’m so tired of this argument. Literally all you guys ever say nowadays when trying to denigrate NASA is “You really think Artemis will launch on time? lol”. I’ve been hearing the same low effort argument since well before Artemis 1 launched. How about expounding on it for once and actually explain why you think Artemis will fail, as you clearly think it will? Not be delayed, fail. Everyone paying attention(clearly you weren’t, or you would have already known and not needed to edit your post) knew for over a year prior to the official delay announcement that A2 and A3 would be delayed, that does not mean anything as far as the success of the actual mission goes.
Sure, congress could slash their budget, as they’re often prone to doing, which could possibly kill the program, but that still says nothing about NASA’s technical capabilities.
So by that logic, I guess you’re much better at pissing your bed in your sleep than anyone older than you, then.
I mean, yes?