Following his trial for defamation of the families of the children and school staff killed in the Sandy Hook massacre, conspiracy theorist Alex Jones is using Valve Corp.’s Steam, the world’s largest digital distribution platform for PC games, to sell an Infowars-themed video game. Jones claims to have earned hundreds of thousands in revenue from the video game, yet he has refused to pay the Sandy Hook families. Alex Jones: NWO Wars also mirrors and cartoonishly repackages the conspiracy theorist’s regularly violent, hateful rhetoric despite the platform’s policies against hate speech.
Since knock_knock is too demure to show graphic content here, I will share the photo. These are the words above the photo in the document
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THIS is the “most widely referenced” picture of all the pizzagate allegations. THIS is why it’s like pulling teeth to get a pizzagater to make ONE real claim. The emperor has no clothes. They are so proud of a mountain of nothing.
There is no one who is credibility alleged to have explicit material of this child. It is at this point where I am expected to appear to ask for this material. This could be a crime. Be careful. Look how fast this reply was locked-and-loaded.
If you think that question is void now due to that retort, you are mistaken. Anyone reading along can see the photo now. You really should have tried to get ahead of that. I bet no one was picturing masking tape with the picture you created in words.
I have showed the only evidence provided that this child exists. Are there alleged to be other materials of this child that are objectionable? Is this a victim?
“You can’t use their silence as evidence.” What? They sound exactly like nonexistent victims. There must be a difference between real victims and nonexistent victims. Silence is clearly not a good measurement. Are there any other methods to look for them?
I know this isn’t a claim. It’s a point worth discussing. There are people in our society whose job is gain the trust of people by showing integrity. They are called journalists. A journalist knows that if a reader catches the whiff of dishonesty, they lose that reader permanently.
So a journalist with a long, track-able career is who is best equipped to make such sensitive accusations. This is usually how rings would get busted. So who is putting their career on the line for this? Is Mike Cernovich the point-person on these matters? These accusations are dangerous. Your dismal of that is sickening, but I’ll come back to that later.
This is the worst framing of epistemology I’ve seen. You are quite literally turning every argument in a “confidence game”. Surely you see that the world can’t function like that.
But I will give you this, you finally connected the dots in a way that I see how pizzagate is real.
We’ve had too many exchanges before I finally can see what pizzagate actually is.
Pizzagate: The believe that real world damage can be caused simply by never admitting any harmless explanations regardless of plausibility.
The fucked up thing here, is that with this formulation, Pizzagate is true.
1.) The only thing that little girl’s guardians did was upload a photo of the aftermath of child’s play.
2.) Now, 4chan enters the scene. 4chan and reddit simply make up ANYTHING they want to accuse these people of. Consequence free. There is no journalist in the loop. There are no stakes. You get federal authorities to harass strangers. And you are proud of it.
3.) THEN this visit is now “evidence”. You keep pointing to police action, like it’s suspicious, but 4chan did that shit. I don’t know who you are fooling, but it isn’t me.
These three dots are what you connected. You have convinced me it’s real. It’s scary. It’s sick that people would do this.
You can claim it’s about protecting kids, but there have been no rescues or even calls for help.
Here’s from Wikipedia
Welch was there to liberate victims. Who did he avenge? Who is lucky that Welch was there to listen to the cries of help that 4chan told him exist?
Three bullets are what I’m calling dangerous, sicko. You know what is happening. You know the bullets were real.
You seem very proud that the feds were sent to investigate this. That seems to be a claim of victory. It’s disturbing. There was no foundation. You just hate these people. It’s unpleasant to say the least. You’re proud you can imagine such horrible things happening. You don’t even need proof. And you just want the world to hate these people like you do, and based on as flimsy shit as you accept as proof.
I’m done here. Pizzagate sucks. You can come bother me at /c/knowledgefight.
I gave you 3 claims, and you picked your own 4th.
Ah, now I see why you were so weirdly desperate for me to post that particular photo. You had a narrative needing to be fulfilled. Sorry to disappoint.
Yes, and they haven’t been acted upon either.
Potentially, yes. How are you imagining this kid “coming forward” to the authorities?
Yep. By photos posted online by their abusers. By having child services interview their guardians.
And should have been handled by the police. They weren’t.
No-one claimed this either. Debunkers love to invent strawmen to attack.
Your favourite picture is far from the only suspicious Instagram post/comment
Literally their job. And they point is they weren’t doing it.
You are the one defending the guy with a “members only” file share on his website who makes child abuse jokes on Instagram.
This applies equally to debunkers who think “no basement” is proof that pizzagate is false.
I’m not convinced any part of pizzagate is real, but you (and other debunkers) are convinced it is 100% fake. That’s what is interesting.
Pizzagate debunkers are just as fervently irrational as the unquestioning gun toting believers.
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Would you like me to read one of those 3 claims?
So let’s see we’re YOU are finding this instagram stuff. Hmm…
Ok, we know where your BEST evidence is. Let’s figure out this instagram claim.
Here are the times YOU brought up Instagram:
You talk a lot about instagram for someone who finds the FIRST instagram picture from your GOLDEN source embarrassing. Here, I’ll add context. I’ll expand the crop. And let see what this fear-mongering document says…
It’s the “most widely referenced one”. YOU are the one pointing to internet “frenzies” as evidence. An internet frenzy was whipped up about this ONE picture in particular. There are no other pictures related to this child. YOU are claiming the other photos are connected.
Adding more context makes the evidence look WORSE.
Also notice that the simple explanation isn’t good enough: “please let me know if there are more”. They want another explanation because then “see, they’re changing their story”. For some reason they want the reader to be suspicious of only ONE explanation. Reality works in a strange way for people who think like this.
Then every pizzagater ever says, “that’s why you picked THAT photo. Of course the one my opponent chooses one that makes me look silly. They won’t show you the other stuff I sent them. Please read the first paragraph at least, where it says if you don’t see EVERYTHING, you’ll be too ignorant to know the truth.”
They are always saying “look at everything. but don’t look at anything.”
The only claim I made is that I have seen no proof of illegal activity. There are plenty of times in my life where I have seen proof of illegal activity. It’s a pretty common thing to see on the news. I don’t see why I should worry about people who have weird tastes in art. I see a lot of mixing pizza, weird art, and sex in that doc, but not kids. I’m worried about one who see that photo as normalization of child abuse. (Here is where that claim of “I’m not claiming THAT photo is what i’m talking about. don’t you see how vague i’m being. look at everything” This is 30-Rock’s “Homonym Game” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZLkcFns8Ks )
Seeing a girl smiling with masking tape on her arms does NOT look like normalization [i use US spelling]
You are either being very disingenuous here, or you find that image stirring. I do not want to accuse you of anything, but the reason I want a journalist in the loop is because every pizzagater with any sizable voice is WITHOUT FAIL either (a) trying to convince people (including themselves) that SA material of minors is more common than it is or (b) very homophobic.
The document you provided is teeming with homophobia.
I am implementing a new rule. I will not engage with pizzagate arguments with people unless they pledge: “There is a gay person in my life that I love, and they live a meaningful, fulfilling life.” That’s probably not hard. Honestly, I don’t care if you know them personally.
If you can’t do that, I’d rather deal with a more serious mind virus.
Because that is where Alefantis posted.
There are more. E.g. wearing a “pizza slut” t-shirt.
Yes. Alefantis commented on most or is connected via his restaurant.
If you want to claim a slamdunk debunk then the simple explanation must be the only explanation, or the suspicious explanation is shown to be impossible.
Your “debunk” falls far short.
You claimed pizzagate is absolute garbage. That it was debunked.
2 dudes on a street correr and a BMW parked nearby is not proof of illegal activity. But it is suspicious. You want the police to check it out.
Dude, you’re the one obsessed with this particular photo.
“There is a gay person in my life that I love, and they live a meaningful, fulfilling life.” Send your gay strawman away.
Please remove the quotation marks. That’s not how words work.
There is a gay person in my life that I love, and they live a meaningful, fulfilling life. I love gays. Great fun.
What I don’t like seeing them being irrelevantly dragged into arguments in an attempt to distract and score cheap points.
This has nothing to do with showing that the claims made by pizzagate are impossible.
Cool. There are gay people I love too. Wouldn’t change a thing about them.
Sure am. You see someone showed it to me in a document they linked. They called the dossier the best evidence of pizzagate. That dossier has this particular photo. It even said “We might as well start with this picture of a girl taped to a table, which is probably the most widely referenced one.” Of course, that " girl taped to a table" was standing on the floor with her arms affixed to a table with masking tape, and not even a lot of tape.
That photo sure stirred up a frenzy. My claim was that anytime anything that is purported to be concrete evidence is investigated, it sure looks like nothing upon inspection. The pizzagater always plays the Homonym Game. “I was talking about a different photo?” Well, I’m talking about this photo.
So if you argue that frenzies show there must be something happening, I will point to THIS picture. Because it is THIS that picture that by itself caused a frenzy. Read the words around the picture. Then read my proposal of the only definition of pizzagate i can agree with
Pizzagate: The believe that real world damage can be caused simply by never admitting any harmless explanations regardless of plausibility.
So 4chan decides to use Pizzagate as a weapon to sick on this shop owner and his friends and family. It fits just fine.
You act like I’m cherry-picking, because you know most people aren’t going to check, and the kinds of people that do check don’t fall for this shit.
Well, that piece of “evidence” is clearly trash. Anyone trying to sell it to me thinks I’m stupid. Why would I bother?
Do you have a dossier that does NOT include wastes of time?
Did they? It’s not a bad introduction but voat had much better documentation.
Again? Let’s discuss this one instead.
The photo is not illegal, but it is suspicious, especially when combined with Alefantis’ other posts.
See. You have to add in and highlight “by itself”.
4chan didn’t make him post suggestive comments or host suspicious files on his website.
You have failed to make this argument clearly.
So one item labeled a waste of time allows you to disregard the rest. This is a repeat of the “no basement=debunked” argument.
Pizzagate debunkers are just as illogical as Pizzagate true believers.
I’m not talking about another photo. You have a mountain of evidence. Please edit out any trash designed to waste time. That picture is a pretty clear litmus test. I’m not stupid enough to be scared of that photo. If you think I am, this will not go anywhere.