• Guy Dudeman
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    29611 months ago

    The MDHS State Disbursement Unit is the Child Support department. Dude went nuts because he doesn’t want to pay child support. What a POS.

    • @BonesOfTheMoonOPM
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      11211 months ago

      One of their biggest things they’re always trying to do is “discharge” theur child support.

      • @frickineh
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        6811 months ago

        Yeah they are. But fun fact, garnishments and liens work just as well without an INTERNATIONAL TREATY and a surprising number of these loons still work and own stuff.

        • Tar_Alcaran
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          2011 months ago

          Yes but they’re their own country, and the USA needs to form a treaty to have say in their business, unless they’re “travelling” or receiving welfare or benefit in some other way

          • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】
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            1111 months ago

            The reality is that they are not bodies politic, have no demos, and every person everywhere ever is subject to the law of the jurisdiction in which they are present.

          • @AA5B
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            811 months ago

            And I imagine thEy had no contract with the child in question

      • @[email protected]
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        5811 months ago

        “I don’t have anything to do with that kid! Why should I have to pay child support?”

        Unfortunately I know people like that in real life, who don’t seem to understand that the child support is largely because they want nothing to do with their kid

        • @aidan
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          -1311 months ago

          What if before birth they prove that they wanted the child aborted?

          • Flying Squid
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            911 months ago

            If they are forced to be pregnant with it, that’s their choice.

            Have you ever spent nine months with a pregnant woman? They don’t do it because it’s fun.

            • @aidan
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              Of course not, I’m asking if that’s how it should work?

              • @[email protected]
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                911 months ago

                No, it should not. When two consenting adults have sex without protection, the resulting pregnancy shouldn’t be the sole problem of the woman.

                • @aidan
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                  -1011 months ago

                  She is the only one granted the choice to end the responsibility. The father is left with massive financial responsibility for 18 years, that the mother had the choice to prevent. This even occurs in cases of rape.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    611 months ago

                    An abortion is a medical procedure that has a high risk for the woman, and carries with it the trauma of ending a human life.
                    Yes, she is the only one granted the choice to end it. Because “it” happens within her body.

                  • @Malfeasant
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                    311 months ago

                    If you can’t take the heat, better stay out of the kitchen…

              • @[email protected]
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                511 months ago

                Child support isn’t meant to punish a parent that’s no longer in the child’s life. Even if thats the end result, it’s meant to support the child.

                Because of the bodily autonomy argument there won’t be true equality surrounding pregnancy because nobody has (or should have) weight of decision of whether to carry the child except for the person who does so.

                But if a child is brought into the world as a result, it needs to be supported. And that’s the responsibility of the parents- willing or not.

                I think that if male birth control becomes safe and available it will be much closer to equality.

              • fkn
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                Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position… Neither of which I am convinced you possess.

                In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person’s life, regardless of that person’s age, gender or relationship with the other person. Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another. If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.

                • @aidan
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                  -111 months ago

                  Your logic is fundamentally flawed. In several ways. I see several people arguing with you ineffectively because they assume you are arguing in good faith or have a coherent position…

                  You’re free to disagree with me, but everything I say on here is in good faith.

                  In the US (and most of the world) it is a fundamental right of bodily autonomy that any individual is not subjected to any forced medical situation in the support of another person’s life, regardless of that person’s age, gender or relationship with the other person.

                  Yep, I agree.

                  Even if we agreed on when personhood happens (I assume we disagree on it) at no point must one person give up their bodily rights for another.

                  I have no strong opinion on when personhood happens, I simply don’t know.

                  If you provide a special case for pregnancy then we are in a discussion of if your inconsistent belief structure is valid.

                  A special case for what? You never expressed your disagreement with me.

                  • fkn
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                    111 months ago

                    Your inability to follow the argument is probably the problem.

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            If they were going to want the baby aborted, they shouldn’t have had sex without a condom. You don’t get to cum inside someone and then tell them what to do with it. Your jizz, your problem.

            • @aidan
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              -911 months ago

              So, do you oppose abortion in general?

              • @[email protected]
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                Obviously not. They’re saying that the person that gets pregnant gets to decide whether or not they want to abort. It’s not the decision of the sperm donor.

                • @aidan
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                  -511 months ago

                  So, a mother has a choice to opt out of paying for a child if they can’t afford it. But a father is given the same choice.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    511 months ago

                    Yes. Everyone should have autonomy over their own bodies, especially when it’s a matter of something as major as pregnancy. Pregnancy is a medical condition, and the only person that should (legally) have any input in medical decision making for pregnancy is the person that’s pregnant.

                  • splicerslicer
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                    411 months ago

                    The mother clearly has a bigger stake in pregnancy than a father and I can’t believe this needs to be explained. Yes, women get to choose if they want to be mothers for a variety of complicated and nuanced reasons. For men they can simply choose to not raw dog a woman. Obviously it’s different if they were raped or their semen was stolen but those are much more rare cases.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    The father made that choice when he decided it was a good idea to fuck without protection. You don’t get to undo mistakes you made by telling someone else to undergo a medical procedure they don’t want. It doesn’t matter if you realized your mistake the next day and started telling them to use plan B. You can not want a baby all you want, but the only thing that matters is, did you willingly play your part in making it?

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                What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them. If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it. The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they’re having sex.

                • @aidan
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                  What a person does with their own body is entirely up to them.

                  Yes, but when one person has the choice to not have a child, the other person can express their desire to not raise the child.

                  If you play your part in making that baby, and the person you came inside of plays their part too, you both have to pay for it.

                  Why?

                  The sperm donor has one opportunity to opt out of being a parent, and that one opportunity is when they’re having sex.

                  Why?

                  • @[email protected]
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                    411 months ago
                    1. You can express your desire to not raise a child all you want, it doesn’t change the fact that you made a choice that led to that child being born.

                    2. You both have to pay for it because you both made a decision to make it. Both parents have an obligation to provide support, and if one parent wants nothing to do with the kid, that support must be financial. “Why?” Because that kid costs money to raise, and the alternative is the state paying for your decision not to wrap it up. Like hell do I want my taxes paying for your one night stand.

                    3. Because you can’t make medical decisions for someone else, your one and only opportunity to opt out of being a father is while you’re having sex. The only person who gets to decide whether or not to have an abortion is the pregnant party. If they opt not to, but you really, really want them to, then that sucks for you, but refer back to point 2.

    • @Garbanzo
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      4711 months ago

      I only agreed to get my dick wet, your child support contract is invalid