I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.
Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.
Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.
OK.
Just be aware that doing so publicly, especially around election time, increases the probability of Republicans getting elected. So ask yourself if its the right time and place - regardless of what your intentions are, what sort of effects will your actions actually cause in the world?
IMO, the best time and place to make your opinion on Democratic policy known is the Democratic primary election and who you choose to help campaign for the primaries.
As I pointed out to someone else: So valid critiques of the Democrats are what depress and demotivate voters, not… *checks notes… the things that the Democrats failed at themselves? No, it only rises to upsetting people when people talk about it. Do you realize that’s what you’re arguing here, that Democratic failures don’t demotivate people, only people talking about them.
I’m sorry but I’m pretty sure the failures are demotivating on their own, and folks like me are demotivated by being told we’re not allowed to talk about them.
Also, we have elections every two years. My entire life, I’ve been told it’s “too close to an election to for that kind of critique.”
As I asked others (with no good answers) when are we going to be allowed to critique them, then? Because I’m pushing fifty and I’ve dealt with this bullshit “you can’t critique them NOW” for over twenty fucking years of voting.
Way to take a valid point and reject the fuck out of it.
woosh
Hey just so we’re clear you do realise the primaries are right now? So in your own words this is exactly the time to be critiquing.
and the progressive replacement candidate that you’re all campaigning for is definitely real and an obvious choice. that’s why you’re all campaigning for us to vote for them instead in our totally not cancelled primaries precisely because there has been no such challenger in time and definitely not just relitigating old mistakes and common criticisms of the incumbent candidate.
oh wait.
Right, and we’ve immediately circled back to ‘there is no time where it is appropriate to criticize the presumed candidate.’
I’m sure the DNC saying they wouldn’t hold primary debates a week before Biden announced he planned to seek re-election didn’t have anything to do with no one running against him. I’m sure all the one-term president talk we got to make us step in line back in 2020 didn’t set up any expectation we might have a voice in who we ran in 2024. I’m sure you wouldn’t be trotting out the exact same garbage even if someone serious was running against him.
Oh wait.
I think you might be the woosh since you don’t think actions demotivate people, only people talking about those things.
Also, assumptions that we don’t take part in the process has been going on for over twenty years as well. But I guess you don’t give a shit enough to find out if I’m actually involved, do you? Easier to just assume I’m not, right? Than to have to actually engage with the point?
No, because Superdelegates. It’s not a real vote if the party apparatus can force the result they want by blunting a challenger’s momentum/stopping their win.
Besides, airing complaints at the primary only gets them heard by the hyper-engaged of the electorate. I.e. not your typical voter. “Go vote in the primary” is the correct messages, yes. But you’ll never be heard by a bigger crowd who might agree and also agitate for change(s).
During the democratic primary? So… like, right freaking now?
How many decades now have democrats been 3 steps less right than Republicans running on nothing but “We’re not Republicans?”
They’ve had plenty of time to get it together but instead they slither further and further right to sate “centrists” (that were never going to vote dem anyway.) Meanwhile, everybody shrieks that dems are the only line between us and fascism as they fascism all over their voters at the dnc and Biden sidesteps congress to fund genocide.
Sounds fascist to me. 🤷
Your solution?