If you haven’t heard the news, Reddit is making some drastic, user-hostile changes. This is essentially the final stage of any ad-supported and VC-funded platform’s inevitable march towards enshittification.
I really love the /r/rust community. As a community manager it’s my main portal into the latest happenings of the Rust ecosystem from a high-level point of view primarily focused on project updates rather than technical discourse. This is the only Reddit community I engage directly with; my daily fix of the Reddit frontpage happens strictly via login-less browsing on Apollo, which will soon come to an abrupt end.
This moment in time presents a unique opportunity for this space to claim its independence as a wholly community-owned operation. If the moderators and other stakeholders of /r/rust are already discussing possible next moves somewhere, please point other willing contributors like myself in the right direction.
I’m ready to tag along with any post-Reddit initiative set forth by the community leaders of this sub-reddit. Meanwhile, I’ve started mobilizing willing stakeholders from the fediverse, which I believe to be the path forward for a viable Reddit alternative.
Soft-forking Lemmy
Lemmy as an organisation has issues. But the Lemmy software is a fully functional alternative to Reddit that runs on top of the open ActivityPub protocol, and it’s written in Rust.
Discourse, the software which the Rust Users/Internals forum runs on also supports basic ActivityPub federation now, so the Rust Users forum could actually federate with one or more Lemmy-powered instances. As such, this wouldn’t just be a replacement to Reddit, it would be a significant improvement, bringing more cohesion to the Rust community
Given Lemmy’s controversial culture, I think it’s safest to approach it with a soft-fork mindset. But the degree to which any divergence will actually happen in the code comes down to how amenable the Lemmy team is to upstream changes. I’d love for this to be an exercise in building bridges rather than moats. I know the Lemmy devs occasionally peruse this space, so please feel free to reach out to me.
Here’s what’s happening:
- The author of Kitsune is attempting to run Lemmy on Shuttle, which in turn have expressed interest in supporting this alt-Reddit initiative.
- We’re also looking into OIDC/OAuth for Lemmy, which would allow people to log in with their Reddit/GitHub accounts. If anyone would like to take this on, let us know!
- Hachyderm is starting to evaluate Lemmy hosting next week. I personally think they could provide an excellent default home for a renewed /r/rust, as they are already a heavily Rust-leaning community of practitioners.
To facilitate this mobilization, I’ve set up a temporary Discord server:
I’ll gladly replace this with e.g. a dedicated channel on the Rust community discord. One big upside of having our own server is that we can bridge it to a self-hosted instance of Revolt, which we’ll do in the next few days.
Lemme know if this resonates with you!
Nope, I think the enshittification started well before since the mid 2010s, with the new design and the slew of increasingly user-hostile changes that started rolling ever since. But now with the public trading attempt and VC capital drying up everywhere it seems that all the big tech corps are slamming the gas on the enshittification machine.
Either way as a budding Rustacean I’m all for migrating to Lemmy. It means future proofing the community thanks to fediverse capabilities.
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At least for me it seems like a good idea. I do not necessarily agree with Lemmy devs politically speaking, but at least they had the decency to make it a federated platform and to not maliciously concentrate people only to their instances. Participating from other instances is mostly hassle-free anyways. We can be civil here.
Honestly, especially considering that any instance could go down the second the owner doesn’t pay the bills anymore, any new party that wants to guarantee uptime and content will host their own instance anyways. A soft fork isn’t that much extra than setting up your own instance, by the looks of it.
Why would we need to fork the software? It’s AGPL-licensed. Code changes and related discussions are public. And for now there’s no signs of the maintainers pushing their political opinions in the software itself, they just do that on their own instances (and it’s not like they’re hiding that, I mean their choice of TLD is a political statement in itself, do people think “ml” stands for “markup language” or something?).
Until they start messing with the code (which is something that is not going to go unnoticed), there’s absolutely no reason to fragment development efforts, that would just be counterproductive.
What’s ml supposed to refer to? I tried looking it up but didn’t find anything related to your message.
Marxist-Leninist. Which is basically Stalinist era USSR ideology. Overzealous communists that worship the USSR and the CCP. Usually they actually have pretty good (as in informed) takes on most things. Except for most modern things related to China and Russia, imo.
Regular Marxists are usually better in general tho…
In any case, I’m not either (more of an Anarchist but tbh who cares about these dumb little labels lol), but I think it’s silly to want to distance oneself from “tankies” while drowning in neolib propaganda everywhere else lmao
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