1 in 200 Gazans were killed, for people who has family in that area of the world, they were someone’s old neighbour, friend or relative.
I get that not voting for Biden effectively helps the Republicans, but those groups won’t agree to be political pawns, not at least without actions supporting an immediate ceasefire first.
Then the headline would be, “Arab leaders meet with Biden.” And nobody would read it.
And pro-genocide Biden supporters would spam it as proof that the genocide all of them have always wanted is even popular with the family of those being genocided.
It’s the Arafat playbook. Talk and talk and talk but then when you get a chance to sit at the table and make a deal, say “no thanks, I’m happy to keep things fucked”.
Other than the actions Biden has already taken to get a ceasefire, including the one which happened, what specific actions would you suggest that wouldn’t damage his chances at the polls more than it gained him?
Israel was carpet bombing Lebanon in 1982, Reagan called Begin demanding the bombing stop or their government welfare checks and US weapons imports stops. The bombing stopped.
Stop giving billions of dollars of weapons for free to a country actively committing genocide.
Stop spreading false Israeli propaganda (“40 beheaded babies”, “only democracy in the middle east”, “human shields” etc)
When Israel commits war crimes on camera, criticize them publically instead of running defense for them.
Call up Netanyahu and tell him that, if he continues this war, the US will withdraw support for Israel. If it worked for Reagan, why can’t it work for Biden?
1: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
2: citation required. Shti posted in teh press are not in the control of the White House.
3: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
4: lil’ baby bibi hates Biden and loves Trump. He also knows that there is no way Biden would be stupid enough to make a threat he can’t back up. The political position and options are in no way similar to fifty years ago as anyone that knows anything about what Ronnie did knows. That is why it can’t work.
So the entire crux of your argument comes down to your opinion about how voters will react? And your opinion is that opposing genocide is pure stupidity?
No, the crux of my argument is that folks trying to teach a lesson by increasing the chances of an R victory in November learned nothing form 2016 and yes, that makes anyone making the claims you made is an idiot.
One of the lessons of 2016 is that running a historically unpopular center-right candidate is an easy way to lose to Trump.
Another lesson is that a candidate who skates through the primaries on arguments of electability and “it’s their turn” end up being poor candidates in the general election.
Maybe we could learn the lesson that chastising and berating anyone left of center does not win you votes, instead it supresses turnout. It is plain stupidity to go around treating leftists with contempt and hostility but then still expect us to vote lockstep with you.
Sadly it seems the DNC did not learn any lessons, because it’s making the same awful mistakes that led directly to President Trump.
Democrats need Trump as much as Republicans do. A big bogeyman like Trump keeps the oligarchy on both sides in power. Republicans can sell salvation, Dems sell fear, they both win, and the general public gets fucked
It was exactly the “teach the Democratic party a lesson” which was the only lesson from 2016. Hillary Clinton was not in a popularity contest. And yup, the exact same mistake is being made, but it isn’t the Democratic party’s to make as organizations don’t get a Vote in the General.
Clinton ignored important Midwest swing States, and ran the most inept election campaign I’ve ever seen.
It’s documented that they spent the next day figuring out that they’d blame the loss on Russian hackers to protect their consultant class.
At this point you are literally ignoring history to preemptively blame a group that isn’t responsible for the loss you and everyone else knows is coming.
How many people were killed by Hamas rockets fired at malls and schools over the last decade? They had families too, but you never cared about those.
And frankly you only care now cause the news told you to, this has been going on for a long time and it’s been allowed because Arabs want Palestinians wiped out too
I was upset at Hamas’ October 7th attack. But what has happened since is unprecedented in recent memory of that conflict. The number of Palestinian casualties is multiple times higher than the cumulative amount in the 15 years prior to October 7th 2023.
The reaction to this massacre, a systematic destruction of life and property, is inappropriate and I don’t stand for it.
1 in 200 Gazans were killed, for people who has family in that area of the world, they were someone’s old neighbour, friend or relative.
I get that not voting for Biden effectively helps the Republicans, but those groups won’t agree to be political pawns, not at least without actions supporting an immediate ceasefire first.
It’s closer to 1 in every 80 who have been killed now (26,083 out of apx 2.1 million).
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And pro-genocide Biden supporters would spam it as proof that the genocide all of them have always wanted is even popular with the family of those being genocided.
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Jokes on them, still didn’t read it.
I don’t think anyone is surprised that Arab leaders don’t like Biden right now. Not exactly a brave new take that would be surprising to anyone.
It sends a message, I guess. But doesn’t change anything.
Biden needs them, due to demographic shifts, to win the Midwest swing States.
You’ve got the balance of power here wrong.
It’s the Arafat playbook. Talk and talk and talk but then when you get a chance to sit at the table and make a deal, say “no thanks, I’m happy to keep things fucked”.
Talk and talk and talk, but when you get a chance to talk, say “no thanks, I already can talk”.
How’d you get that? I come up with 1 in 80 using 25,000 dead and population of 2,000,000.
My numbers were from late November when it was about 10-15k. WP Source
It’s already 1+ in 100.
Abssolutely right… so much has happened since I got those numbers in November… :(
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I dunno. They could run Clinton again.
Other than the actions Biden has already taken to get a ceasefire, including the one which happened, what specific actions would you suggest that wouldn’t damage his chances at the polls more than it gained him?
Ronald Reagan stopped Israels invasion with a single phone call in 20 minutes
And no, it didn’t cost him votes.
This is such a helpless ‘well what can I do’ abdication of responsibility. It’s also completely ahistorical.
Congrats on your propaganda.
Well, Biden has always been to the right of Reagan on nearly every issue.
liar
If you’re getting paid for this, whoever is doing so deserves their money back.
You’re too incompetent for this to be trolling though.
The situation is in no way similar, but don’t let actual history interrupt your fantasy. Congrats on having fallen for propaganda.
Israel was carpet bombing Lebanon in 1982, Reagan called Begin demanding the bombing stop or their government welfare checks and US weapons imports stops. The bombing stopped.
It’s you thats fallen for propaganda.
not remotely relevant. You are simply parroting talking points either provided you for that purpose or you read from such.
Damn, that’s almost as cogent as your other response of ‘liar’.
Did Biden create his own Correct The Record department, but skimp on funding it?
They don’t have to fund it when shitlib trolls do the work for free.
Russia, Russia, Russia
Stop giving billions of dollars of weapons for free to a country actively committing genocide.
Stop spreading false Israeli propaganda (“40 beheaded babies”, “only democracy in the middle east”, “human shields” etc)
When Israel commits war crimes on camera, criticize them publically instead of running defense for them.
Call up Netanyahu and tell him that, if he continues this war, the US will withdraw support for Israel. If it worked for Reagan, why can’t it work for Biden?
1: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
2: citation required. Shti posted in teh press are not in the control of the White House.
3: loses more Votes than it gains. Pure stupid to expect much less demand.
4: lil’ baby bibi hates Biden and loves Trump. He also knows that there is no way Biden would be stupid enough to make a threat he can’t back up. The political position and options are in no way similar to fifty years ago as anyone that knows anything about what Ronnie did knows. That is why it can’t work.
Maybe it’s time America has a reset if you have people trying this hard to apologize a genocide. Just get on with the civil war.
Good thing no one did so. But do enjoy your imaginary discussion.
You’re doing it all over this post.
So the entire crux of your argument comes down to your opinion about how voters will react? And your opinion is that opposing genocide is pure stupidity?
Here is the citation you requested: Joe Biden keeps repeating his false claim that he saw pictures of beheaded babies
No, the crux of my argument is that folks trying to teach a lesson by increasing the chances of an R victory in November learned nothing form 2016 and yes, that makes anyone making the claims you made is an idiot.
One of the lessons of 2016 is that running a historically unpopular center-right candidate is an easy way to lose to Trump.
Another lesson is that a candidate who skates through the primaries on arguments of electability and “it’s their turn” end up being poor candidates in the general election.
Maybe we could learn the lesson that chastising and berating anyone left of center does not win you votes, instead it supresses turnout. It is plain stupidity to go around treating leftists with contempt and hostility but then still expect us to vote lockstep with you.
Sadly it seems the DNC did not learn any lessons, because it’s making the same awful mistakes that led directly to President Trump.
Democrats need Trump as much as Republicans do. A big bogeyman like Trump keeps the oligarchy on both sides in power. Republicans can sell salvation, Dems sell fear, they both win, and the general public gets fucked
There it is y’all! Downplay the danger of choosing the Russian useful idiot, conflate “bOtH sIdEs!”, and then blame the Democratic party.
It was exactly the “teach the Democratic party a lesson” which was the only lesson from 2016. Hillary Clinton was not in a popularity contest. And yup, the exact same mistake is being made, but it isn’t the Democratic party’s to make as organizations don’t get a Vote in the General.
Clinton ignored important Midwest swing States, and ran the most inept election campaign I’ve ever seen.
It’s documented that they spent the next day figuring out that they’d blame the loss on Russian hackers to protect their consultant class.
At this point you are literally ignoring history to preemptively blame a group that isn’t responsible for the loss you and everyone else knows is coming.
It’s always the ones parroting propaganda that demand sources/citations
This is possibly the stupidest thing I’ve read in this thread.
How many people were killed by Hamas rockets fired at malls and schools over the last decade? They had families too, but you never cared about those.
And frankly you only care now cause the news told you to, this has been going on for a long time and it’s been allowed because Arabs want Palestinians wiped out too
I know it’s been a long term conflict, I was hopeful for peaceful negotiations to happen but clearly Bibi doesn’t want that through Israeli proxy funding of militant terror groups.
I was upset at Hamas’ October 7th attack. But what has happened since is unprecedented in recent memory of that conflict. The number of Palestinian casualties is multiple times higher than the cumulative amount in the 15 years prior to October 7th 2023.
The reaction to this massacre, a systematic destruction of life and property, is inappropriate and I don’t stand for it.