• @smokeythebear
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    311 year ago

    So what’s one good conservative position?

    • @YoBuckStopsHere
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      I agree with some conservative positions like Americans have an individual right of freedom. I can and should be able to live my life in manner that I want to without the government forcing me to live it another way. I view things like LGBTQ rights fall under this surprising core conservative belief. Now most conservatives would view it as individual freedom mean they can be a racist bigot and discriminate, but that isn’t individual freedom.

      I also agree with the concept of limited government, but from the view that government even in its best state is a necessary evil. It should not govern our everyday lives but it must serve the people. Government isn’t a power, it is a service that ultimately serves the people.

      • @RGB3x3
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        201 year ago

        Bro, that’s exactly what liberals want.

        The government is a tool to ensure the good will, safety, and prosperity of the people. What we can’t achieve on our own gets done through the collective power of the government.

        Liberals aren’t trying to force government on people, they’re trying to ensure that the rights of everyone take precedent over someone’s perceived “right” to discriminate.

        • @PsychedSy
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          11 year ago

          Do you consider a business employing people to mutually ageed standards moral?

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            Business aren’t moral entities and it should never be assumed that they will act as such. In fact, the basis by which one should assume a business will operate is on profits and profits alone.

            Therefore, if you want to make business behave in any sort of moral fashion their behavior must be regulated and businesses with a history of societal harm must be highly regulated.

            Based on these truths one must view with a highly skeptical eye anyone who wishes to broadly remove regulations without specificities as to which ones they want to remove and why the regulation is unnecessary. The belief that regulations are bad–generally speaking–is an inherently unethical and immoral position.

            • @PsychedSy
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              -31 year ago

              Yeah. So literally using police to force shit is just bros being bros. Hiring someone to paint your fence, oppression. Got it.

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                • @PsychedSy
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                  -11 year ago

                  Just being reductionist doesn’t make it bad faith. I do appreciate your response and I’m sorry I just wasn’t into digging into weeds of justification.

                  It doesn’t really do any good to go back and forth and call our views when we have wild deviations at a very basic level.

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        121 year ago

        some conservative positions like Americans have an individual right of freedom.

        That’s not a conservative position. Proof: Conservatives don’t want women to have the freedom to end their pregnancies (or just get basic prenatal care in general apparently). They also don’t want universities to have the freedom to choose who they admit based on race (trying to undo historical racism or to prevent a single race from taking over).

        In Florida the conservative government removed the freedom of local government to decide how they handle a great many things from elections (can’t have them using ranked choice voting) to what they teach in schools (e.g. teaching about historical racism).

        In other states with conservative governments they are banning books, limiting citizens right to sue for damages, making it harder for minorities to vote, and generally reducing the people’s power to change how their government is run. They’re very anti-democracy lately (it was talked about in the article).

        What individual freedoms are liberals trying to take away? The historical record here is vastly in liberals favor.

        • @PsychedSy
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          -61 year ago

          This is silly analysis. They’re religious nuts and that supercedes their views on human rights. People refuse to use a consistent or sane definition of conservative. If you’re just gonna say “proof: thing that violates the very premise of their presumed identity” then fucking give up. You’re not criticizing any coherent model of thought, you’re engaged in shit slinging.

      • @smokeythebear
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        161 year ago

        You know people can actually see conservatives actions when it comes to these positions and know you are lying?

      • Flying Squid
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        141 year ago

        You didn’t justify any of those positions. I wouldn’t call most of them good and the only good one of them, “people should be treated equally,” is not at all a value conservatives have. Just ask one about giving trans people basic human dignity.

          • Flying Squid
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            111 year ago

            People should be treated equally. This one is obvious, even if we disagree on the details.

            “The details” are “LGBT+ aren’t people.”

            Viability?

            Sounds good to me.

            And your ancestors were probably immigrants unless you’re fully Native American, so maybe you shouldn’t complain about them. But if you’re Native American, yes. Immigrants have fucked you over for a long time.

            • @Blamemeta
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              -61 year ago

              The Native Americans are an excellent example of why immigration is bad. Look at what happened to them!

              • Flying Squid
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                21 year ago

                Are you going to give your home to one?

                • @Blamemeta
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                  -61 year ago

                  Our collective ancestors genocided a lot of Indians so we wouldn’t have to.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    21 year ago

                    Are you seriously taking a pro-genocide stance? This is an example of conservative intellectualism, is it?

          • @PsychedSy
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            -11 year ago

            Having babies incurs costs and lowers wages. We need less workers to get paid more individually.

            Apply the immigration argument to fetuses and they cancel out. Easy peasy. Fetus yeetus.

            If you can’t see how bankrupt your reasoning is here I don’t know what to say.

      • @YoBuckStopsHere
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        91 year ago

        I’m of the belief police should be disarmed and laws put in place that gun violence of any kind is a minimum 50 year sentence. Select police can be armed, but not everyday peace officers.

        • @Blamemeta
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          -41 year ago

          I’m of the belief that the act itself should be what’s considered. If you murder someone, it should be because you murdered someone, not because of what you used to murder someone with, whether that be a car, knife, or gun.

      • @PsychedSy
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        01 year ago

        I mean 2 for 5 ain’t too bad I guess. I’m out here trying to defend you fucks and you come out with this idiocy.