Assuming we are talking about an era when Sol has a thriving space industry and the Solar system is broadly colonized. Current materials science supports structures up to 8 kilometers in diameter, and if large scale graphene production is possible, up to 100km in diameter, at least according to Isaac Arthor.
I am wondering what resources would be difficult for a colony ship to reproduce in-situ on an one way trip to the first interstellar expansions of humanity. I picture a true generation ship might be primarily designed around the transport of some of the largest prefabricated sections of a future centrifugal spin gravity habitat.
- Using hard science to speculate, what types of materials and components would only be available with the massive industry present in humanity’s original home?
I picture the main outer ring frame structure of an O’Neil cylinder, like some kind of curved beam, would be prefabricated and sent in a few pieces for later assembly. If the O’Neil cylinder was to be 8km in diameter, 3 pieces would make the generation ship at least 5.7km long.
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What is practical to transport assuming fusion is in the cards, as are self replicating drones for resource extraction in a region like the astroid belt, and assuming planets are resource poor gravity prisons we avoid in favor of mobility?
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How might carbon get utilized for large structure fabrication in space as far as processes?
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What about metals and space based fabrication. How can you picture the production happening in ways that would only be possible in a highly advanced space based economy?
I know this is highly speculative and I hope the mods will let it fly to ask this. I know most nerds are curious about this kind of thing. I’m only interested in the most conservatively realistic of hard science fiction/futurism.
I’d like to see a pressure vessel made of fibreglass that size… Not happening. Wall thickness in pressure vessels scales
Simple calculator, assuming steel… a 24 km diameter pressure vessel at 15psi is over 13 metres thick steel wall to contain the pressure. https://checalc.com/calc/vesselThick.html
Just the volume of steel required would be astronomical. You might be able to do this out of a similar mass of fibreglass… But forget launching it from Earth (would have to be made in situ).
And, largely, forget the fantasy renderings of what O’Neill cylinders look like – they are anything but lightweight.
This is sci-fi stuff. No one is seriously saying we could build this anytime soon. It will require a radical advancement in space travel capability. But the interesting part of this is that it doesn’t any new technology. It needs only the technology that we currently have, just scaled up massively.
As it is an O’Neill cylinder, the raw material needs will be truly huge. We’re literally building a city on the scale of Tokyo but in space. So we are just assuming that someday, we can move around that amount of stuff in space.
It’s far more than building a city the size of tokyo. It’s the mass required. If you weighed Tokyo, and then engineered a hypothetical Tokyo in space, you’d find that the mass of the equivalent materials would be orders of magnitude higher than even your worst estimates.
Back of the envelope, you put Tokyo in a cylinder with a similar surface area to actual tokyo, the volume of steel in the walls of the containing cylinder (just the pressure vessel) would be about … 60 billion cubic metres, or something like 450 billion metric tonnes of steel. As a point of comparison, tokyo tower is… 4000 tonnes.
As another point of comparison: our global annual steel production is currently around 2 billion metric tonnes per year. It would take 200+ years worth of global production to build just the pressure vessel for a tokyo in space. Unless you’re building this at your source of raw materials, it just doesn’t happen.
Yes, that’s the point. It’s far beyond the actual city of Tokyo in terms of construction difficulty and scale. But it doesn’t need any new technologies to be invented to be doable. Just the ability to build on that scale.
But the point is if you get your materials from the Moon, for example, it’s vastly more economical to just build a Moon colony (or another Moon colony) than a space colony of the same size.
Then you’ll have to deal with Lunar gravity, which may be unacceptable for long durations. Humans may have to live in giant space stations if we want to live in space. And since they can be truly massive, it may be more desirable than what some might think.
The ideal solution is probably not to build a colony in the middle of space, but rather find a celestial body with the necessary materials with gravity low enough to be acceptable.
Moon gravity too strong? Try smaller moons. Phobos? Europa? Charon?