• @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1710 months ago

      Wouldn’t that be a good thing? More access to different titles? Usually the ‘see you and hear you’ line is used when a company gets caught doing vile shit and wants to pretend they care

      • @echo64
        link
        English
        1510 months ago

        The worrying aspect is that they seem to be trying to make non gamepass users pay for the development of gamepass games.

        Gamepass is a massive drain on Microsoft, and numbers appear to have flatlined and not enough to pay for all the games made by Bethesda, Id, obsidian, Activision, blizzard and so much more.

        So now I think they want to get non gamepass users to pay for the development and have gamepass users get the same deal they always did. Which is imo setting the industry up for some very turbulent times in the future as the cost of gamepass is buried under this, and the Xbox platform is further weakened as it gets deeper into the “no one buys games” pit.

        But also less exclusives is good

        • @ABCDE
          link
          English
          110 months ago

          Gamepass is a massive drain on Microsoft

          How so?

          • Zorque
            link
            fedilink
            210 months ago

            Licensing and making games probably costs more than the revenue from subscriptions, would be my guess.

            • @ABCDE
              link
              English
              010 months ago

              Considering how many subscribers they have and the cost, they are making a heck of a lot. They own many of the titles on there now with the Bethesda takeover. I can’t imagine they would agree to any deal that would put them in such a position again (licensing costing more than subs, it would scale), after what they did with the contracts for the original Xbox whereby cost did not decrease on some of the hardware (or something weird like that).

              • @echo64
                link
                English
                410 months ago

                nope. consider this

                1. they don’t have the income from retail games any-more, if you’re an Xbox player, you almost certainly have gamepass. which means you aren’t paying for a single game they produce. A decade ago a new Halo would come out and that would be 100 million in revenue day one. Now it’s nothing.

                2. They have to pay for the entire cost of development of multiple game studios. I’ll highlight the ones for relevance, these are studios they have to pay salaries for hundreds of people for every month, as well as all the other costs of development, and then get no payday. Gamepass has to (but doesn’t) pay for all of these: Bethesda Game Studios, ZeniMax Online Studios, id Software, Arkane Studios, Machine Games, Tango Gameworks, Alpha Dog Games, Roundhouse Studios, Blizzard, Treyarch, Infinity Ward, High Moon Studios, Toys for Bob, Raven Software, Sledgehammer Games, Beenox, Radical Entertainment, Rare, 343 Industries, The Coalition, Mojang. Ninja Theory, Playground Games, Undead Labs, Compulsion Games, Obsidian Entertainment, InXile Entertainment, Double Fine

                3. Then they have to licence all the other games on gamepass, all the third party stuff on there currently that microsoft does not own. Again, this means that they don’t make any money from game sales of those products, and also have to pay for them. Gamepass subscriptions currently probably covers this cost just about

                Currently Gamepass can only exist thanks to microsoft azure and office 365. those to microsoft services pay for gamepass game development. This is why no other company does this, only microsoft can front the money from their other businesses.

                • @ABCDE
                  link
                  English
                  110 months ago
                  Gamepass subscriptions currently probably covers this cost just about
                  

                  Why wouldn’t it scale? They’re not stupid.

                  https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/xbox/xbox-game-pass-has-over-30-million-subscribers-according-to-linkedin

                  30m last year, over $10 per month on average, $350m+ a month, plus game sales which, contrary to what you’ve said, still exist. New titles result in more console sales and more subscribers. They haven’t shifted to this model to make less money.

                  They aren’t losing money.

                  • @echo64
                    link
                    English
                    210 months ago

                    I want to be extremely clear about this, game sales functionally do not exist. We are not going to be discussing the validity of if xbox gamers purchasing Xbox games. We know they are not.

                    New titles are not resulting in more console sales and subscribers, as those have flatlined.

                    They have indeed shifted to this model to make less money so that they can be the one making money in a decade. It’s extremely short-sighted to claim otherwise.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        1310 months ago

        If it’s part of a shift that includes dropping Xbox hardware, that’s very much not a good thing. Less competition doesn’t turn out well for consumers.

      • Altima NEO
        link
        fedilink
        English
        -110 months ago

        Yeah but the Xbox fanboys are seething and Sony fanboys are whetting their lips at the thought of Starfield on ps5.

          • @garretble
            link
            English
            1310 months ago

            Yeah, I don’t think anyone is really that excited for Starfield at this point.

        • stopthatgirl7
          link
          fedilink
          1510 months ago

          I’ve yet to see a single PS person excited about getting Starfield. At most, they’re like, “Oh, that’s nice,” and go back to doing other things.

          • Altima NEO
            link
            fedilink
            English
            610 months ago

            I was being sarcastic. No one cares about Starfield.

        • Snot Flickerman
          link
          fedilink
          English
          510 months ago

          And everyone else just realizes how bad this means things are going for the gaming industry as a whole.

          This isn’t good news for anyone who likes actually owning their games instead of just having a license, if they own a console.

          That ship sailed in PC gaming forever ago, which is honestly fine considering storefronts like GOG exist, but it’s still going to be a gut-punch to people who have invested financially heavily in the Xbox ecosystem.

          It’s going to mean smaller selections of games, more gambling/gacha bullshit, and “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” will dominate the industry. When licensing runs out for music, they’ll just pull a game instead of trying to “fix” it, if it’s not profitable enough. We’re entering an era where there will be a dead-zone of lost media and history because so much of it is increasingly locked up behind corporate barriers.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            610 months ago

            It’s going to mean smaller selections of games, more gambling/gacha bullshit, and “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” will dominate the industry. When licensing runs out for music, they’ll just pull a game instead of trying to “fix” it, if it’s not profitable enough. We’re entering an era where there will be a dead-zone of lost media and history because so much of it is increasingly locked up behind corporate barriers.

            I have some bad news about the past few years for you…