Slow down with the conspiracy theories there. The ICJ has not accused Israel of genocide. South Africa has. ICJ is just the venue and has not yet made a ruling.
You might not take it seriously that UN employees participated in the Oct. 7 attack, but it’s enough evidence for the UN to fire the employees and launch a massive investigation.
Don’t take my word for it, here are the words of the UNRWA Commissioner-General:
I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay. Any UNRWA employee who was involved in acts of terror will be held accountable, including through criminal prosecution.
Saying “slow down with the conspiracy theories” to a post that has no mention of any conspiracy only to launch into your own conspiracy theory of UN being Hamas…
Yea that seems par for the course for the defenders of Israel’s ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people whose land has been turned into an apartheid state.
Sir this is political memes, not everything is going to be completely accurate, but let’s be real for a minute. Nobody would be surprised if Israel actually did this. Israel accuses everyone that doesn’t take their side as being Hamas.
No, they tentatively agreed with South Africa’s accusation towards Israel for genocide. Because 95% of the world know it’s a genocide. Why are we arguing semantics over a meme?
They did not. They said that Israel needs to let more aid in and do more for the protection of civilians, but the decision if it counts as a genocide is pending. Also its not 95 %, its 95 % on lemmy. In the real world people check if any of the criteria for a genocide is fulfilled. And spoiler: they are either not fulfilled or up for dicsussion.
Really? Last i checked every country except the pieces of shit ones we actively try to wipe out agreed it’s genocide and have condemned Israel. This is as textbook a case of genocide as China wiping out the Wygirs. Denying it is cope or just malicious at this point.
Its not, though. The definition is ‘actions with the intention to whipe out an entire people’. And as long as you don’t count Hamas as a people, its simply not happening.
In more detail, a genocide are acts, with the intention of whiping out a people, by doing either:
killing individuals because they are part of this people
Inflicting severe physical or mental damage to individuals because they are part of this people
The deliberate subjugation to living conditions aimed at the total or partial destruction of this people
Forced Birth control
Kidnapping with the intention of assimilating them.
Lets consider the genocide of Uigyurs. The CCP is guilty of 2 and 5. You can also debate if 4 is valid – but since the CCP is also doing that to their own people, its debatable.
Next consider the Russian attack on Ukraine. While they are killing a lot of individuals, this alone is no genocide. A war is no genocide. Nevertheless, there is some evidence, that 5 is happening – which would constitute a genocide.
And now back to Israel. Israel is killing a lot of individuals and inflict mental and physical damage to them. But this isn’t done with the intention of elimating the Palestinians (similar to Russia and Ukraine). This is simply war. There are for example Palestinians living in Israel and they are not harmed. For 4 and 5 are no evidence at all. That leaves 3 open. And this is actually the point open for discussion. Israel is heavily influence the living conditions. The question is, if this is done for war tactics (to starve the Hamas) or if this is already so severe, that this could constitute a genocide.
And this is also the part the ICJ discusses and hasn’t come to a decision yet.
So calling this a genocide is definitely a stretch.
This doesnt mean, that the attack on Palestine and the continued denial of a two-state solution is just. And I personally am definitely advocating for a ceasefire and a rebuild of an independent Palestinian state, for which Israel needs to pay for. And not calling it a genocide doesnt mean that there were no war crimes.
I really like how you examine the arguments and find your own. Maybe you have a different definition of genocide. Or any facts that show that Israel is in fact meeting any point of the definition with their actions.
“To protect the Agency’s ability to deliver humanitarian assistance, I have taken the decision to immediately terminate the contracts of these staff members and launch an investigation in order to establish the truth without delay.”
So basically he’s saying he did it to make sure aid kept coming, which didn’t happen anyway, not because he had seen convincing evidence.
ICJ is just the venue and has not yet made a ruling.
The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ (unanimously) issued an injunction /order because there is credible risk of genocide for Israel to stop killing members of the group, preserve evidence, and provide humanitarian aid to the 1.5 million refugees.
Mainstream media all around is just obfuscating the gravity of this.
Genocide can be a crime committed by one or a few individuals. It doesn’t have to be a top-to-bottom organized effort. This just says that there are some individuals who seem motivated to commit genocide and if they do the Israeli government needs to preserve evidence. And that Israel should avoid situations where genocide is a risk.
Exactly. The ICJ just says that Israel should continue to carry out the present operation and take action to prevent future genocide. There’s no statement that Israel or anyone in Israel is committing or attempting to commit genocide at present.
Slow down with the conspiracy theories there. The ICJ has not accused Israel of genocide. South Africa has. ICJ is just the venue and has not yet made a ruling.
You might not take it seriously that UN employees participated in the Oct. 7 attack, but it’s enough evidence for the UN to fire the employees and launch a massive investigation.
Don’t take my word for it, here are the words of the UNRWA Commissioner-General:
Saying “slow down with the conspiracy theories” to a post that has no mention of any conspiracy only to launch into your own conspiracy theory of UN being Hamas…
Yea that seems par for the course for the defenders of Israel’s ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people whose land has been turned into an apartheid state.
Sir this is political memes, not everything is going to be completely accurate, but let’s be real for a minute. Nobody would be surprised if Israel actually did this. Israel accuses everyone that doesn’t take their side as being Hamas.
The point is that the ICJ didn’t accuse Israel for genocide.
No, they tentatively agreed with South Africa’s accusation towards Israel for genocide. Because 95% of the world know it’s a genocide. Why are we arguing semantics over a meme?
They did not. They said that Israel needs to let more aid in and do more for the protection of civilians, but the decision if it counts as a genocide is pending. Also its not 95 %, its 95 % on lemmy. In the real world people check if any of the criteria for a genocide is fulfilled. And spoiler: they are either not fulfilled or up for dicsussion.
Really? Last i checked every country except the pieces of shit ones we actively try to wipe out agreed it’s genocide and have condemned Israel. This is as textbook a case of genocide as China wiping out the Wygirs. Denying it is cope or just malicious at this point.
Its not, though. The definition is ‘actions with the intention to whipe out an entire people’. And as long as you don’t count Hamas as a people, its simply not happening.
In more detail, a genocide are acts, with the intention of whiping out a people, by doing either:
Lets consider the genocide of Uigyurs. The CCP is guilty of 2 and 5. You can also debate if 4 is valid – but since the CCP is also doing that to their own people, its debatable.
Next consider the Russian attack on Ukraine. While they are killing a lot of individuals, this alone is no genocide. A war is no genocide. Nevertheless, there is some evidence, that 5 is happening – which would constitute a genocide.
And now back to Israel. Israel is killing a lot of individuals and inflict mental and physical damage to them. But this isn’t done with the intention of elimating the Palestinians (similar to Russia and Ukraine). This is simply war. There are for example Palestinians living in Israel and they are not harmed. For 4 and 5 are no evidence at all. That leaves 3 open. And this is actually the point open for discussion. Israel is heavily influence the living conditions. The question is, if this is done for war tactics (to starve the Hamas) or if this is already so severe, that this could constitute a genocide.
And this is also the part the ICJ discusses and hasn’t come to a decision yet.
So calling this a genocide is definitely a stretch.
This doesnt mean, that the attack on Palestine and the continued denial of a two-state solution is just. And I personally am definitely advocating for a ceasefire and a rebuild of an independent Palestinian state, for which Israel needs to pay for. And not calling it a genocide doesnt mean that there were no war crimes.
But calling it a genocide? Far stretch.
That’s a lot of mental gymnastics to cope with being violently incorrect.
I really like how you examine the arguments and find your own. Maybe you have a different definition of genocide. Or any facts that show that Israel is in fact meeting any point of the definition with their actions.
Here’s the key quote actually,
So basically he’s saying he did it to make sure aid kept coming, which didn’t happen anyway, not because he had seen convincing evidence.
https://www.npr.org/2024/01/26/1227142760/unrwa-un-agency-gaza-hamas-employees-oct-7-attack
The 15 permanent judges of the ICJ (unanimously) issued an injunction /order because there is credible risk of genocide for Israel to stop killing members of the group, preserve evidence, and provide humanitarian aid to the 1.5 million refugees.
Mainstream media all around is just obfuscating the gravity of this.
Genocide can be a crime committed by one or a few individuals. It doesn’t have to be a top-to-bottom organized effort. This just says that there are some individuals who seem motivated to commit genocide and if they do the Israeli government needs to preserve evidence. And that Israel should avoid situations where genocide is a risk.
Exactly. The ICJ just says that Israel should continue to carry out the present operation and take action to prevent future genocide. There’s no statement that Israel or anyone in Israel is committing or attempting to commit genocide at present.
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