Ruling comes months after supreme court ruled that requiring sterilisation before a change of gender in official records was unconstitutional
  • @inb4_FoundTheVegan
    8•9 months ago

    This is extremely outdated thinking and something many people actively take offense over. Genitals mean nothing when it comes to identity.Consider your life and your day to day interactions, how much does your genitals factor in to things? In your job or with your friends? Presumably not much aside from sex, in which case it’s no one’s business but you and whoever else is involved with that. Genitals are not gender.

    To speak nothing of the finical or legal hurdles one has to go through, but bottom surgery is not something every trans person does. No trans person is “more serious about it” or any more/less valid than any other person, regardless of their medical history.

    • @thantikEnglish
      -3•9 months ago

      Well, trans individuals did loop themselves in with the LGBT movement, which is a movement about…drumroll please… sexuality!

      So I’m not entirely sure genitals have nothing to do with it. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a clean way to untangle the mess that this has all become in a way that everyone stays happy. Sexual identities are messy. Gender identities are messy.

      • @inb4_FoundTheVegan
        1•9 months ago

        LGB are about sexuality, T is about identity. It’s not “looping themselves in”, it’s Intersectionality among people who suffer from simmiliar types of discrimination. We have always existed and were present at stonewall just like lesbian, gay and bi folk.

        The average person has no idea what transition is actually like, which is partly from us having to hide for so long and because of media repsentation showing wildly skewed pictures. It’s common to think that transition starts with “the operation” but that’s the farthest thing from reality, especially since that isn’t even a option until a year plus on HRT, several letters from psychologist and a multi year waiting list. SRS, sex reassignment surgery, if anything would be the last step in transition.

        So I’m not entirely sure genitals have nothing to do with it.

        Literally nothing. I can be sympayhic if you haven’t heard this infromation before and are unsure about it, nothing wrong with being ignorant if you are willing to learn. Just please understand this is a very foundational truth and not something up for debate. I don’t know if your intent is to be transphobic but what you are saying deeply is.

        Consider the terms gender and sex, often used synonymously but they do indeed mean different things. Sex being your physical characteristics and gender being how you interact with society and other humans. Which is why people born with both characteristics are interSEX, not interGENDER. Genitals have absolutely nothing to do with who you are as a person and how it is comfortable to move around the world. Many people have their sex match their gender, but many do not. Which is why trans people exist!

        A trans woman who lives in Saudi Arabia is no less a woman that one who lives elsewhere and can do the process of transition,the first literally runs the risk of death. Just like a gay man is no less gay in the same culture. Nothing, absolutely nothing is gained from gatekeeping surgeries as a requirement of a valid identity.

        To say genitals matter to gender is to invalidate the vast majority of trans folk behind an expensive and invasive procedure that not everyone can safely undertake. Please rethink what you are saying.

        Contra has an excellent video on this “Are traps gay?”