The Hawaii Supreme Court handed down a unanimous opinion on Wednesday declaring that its state constitution grants individuals absolutely no right to keep and bear arms outside the context of military service. Its decision rejected the U.S. Supreme Court’s interpretation of the Second Amendment, refusing to interpolate SCOTUS’ shoddy historical analysis into Hawaii law. Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern discussed the ruling on this week’s Slate Plus segment of Amicus; their conversation has been edited and condensed for clarity.
Sure, if Alabama can ignore SCOTUS, why not?
And Texas.
And Florida
Speaking of Texas laws, could the rest of us pass a law that allows private citizens to sue anyone in possession of guns?
No one in their right mind would expect a law to operate like that, and it’s really just to create fear. No, it could only be passed by someone whose goals are power, fear, intimidation, control. While I wouldn’t rule Dems out of those intentions, I do have higher expectations of their constituents.
Yes, but then you’d have to enforce it.
A big problem with modern “well if you do X then I’ll do Y” is that - even in brighter blue states like California and Minnesota and Vermont - the local Sheriffs and Police Departments are all still Fash AF.
I think the fact that there’s no government enforcement is what allowed that to work in Texas. You couldn’t challenge the state, because it’s private citizens that are “enforcing” the law through civil action.
Its private citizens who are alerting sheriff’s deputies and local pd by filing these complaints. They’ve effectively created a kind of legal framework for anti-abortion SWATing.
The system only works because the cops/prosecutors/judges are assumed willing to play along. Specifically, Ken Paxton - the state AG - is fishing for pregnant woman and their attendant physicians to hook and hammer. He’s outsourced the process of detective work to his horde of little online gumshoes. But the ability to exercise violence on anyone spotted is still reserved to his friendly officers corpse.
I think a better idea would be for anyone who is carrying must have insurance, but that’s not too likely either
I agree, but Texas didn’t pass a law requiring women to get baby insurance, so it didn’t fit as well.
Sure, right after we pass a law that allows gun owners to shoot anyone who sues them. That makes about as much sense as what you said.
Someone should have told Governor Abbot that. Granted it’s been struck down now…
https://www.texastribune.org/2022/03/24/texas-abortion-law-legal-challenges/
That’s exactly what I was referring to, though I had no idea it’s been struck down. Good to hear!
I figured as much, but clearly knowledge of that bit of the law never made it to the fox news crowd.
Are you sure the law has been overturned? I couldn’t find anything about it, but did see this from a couple months ago that speaks as if the law is still on the books: https://versustexas.com/texas-abortion-law/
In searching for the other link I saw that the specific part of the law that allows anyone to sue anyone involved with any abortion was struck down. I will look for it again and post if I can find it, but it might be a bit before I do.
Followup: I overly optimistically interpreted “apparently dismissed” in this context. Looks like at least one court refused to hear at least on case based on that aspect of the law.
Key Part Of Texas Abortion Law—That Anyone Can Sue—Apparently Dismissed By Court
Yep that’s some dumb shit that they never should have done, I agree.
Only republican led states are allowed to ignore scotus.
Afaik it hasn’t worked out for Alabama (any of the times)