• @Sanctus
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    There is an also, because they must, too, reject violence. The Israelis could have taken to the streets enraged as their leader failed to act on the information given to him about the Oct 7 attack. He chose violence instead, and those people, forgetting their previous emotions of hatred toward their leader, sided with their government. They chose violence. Do you see how individuals and their consent creates a vicious cycle?

    • @LinkerbaanOP
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      Only israel must reject violence as the other side has always been open to peace.

      Palestinians would not resort to violence if there was any other option.

      • @Sanctus
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        19 months ago

        Hamas is made up of Palestinians. It may seem strange, but those who were forced to live in what was bragged as an “open air prison” also resorted to violence on Oct 7.

        The purpose of my words is not who is at fault. I am saying that for humanity to have peace they have to choose it every time. If people ever want to be free of war, warfare must become taboo. That won’t happen, and the warmonger at the head of Israel will probably get most of what he wants. But that is what it will take if anyone ever truly wants world peace. The People must refuse to fight.

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          This is some “the bullied kid fights back so both are at fault” level shit. Victim blaming level maximum.

          Palestinians in the West Bank don’t fight back and they still get genocided by israel.

          I will repeat; only one side is at fault and it is israel.

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            Yeah just ignore the literal hundreds of years of conflict between israelites and Palestinians. And thr fact the Palestinians elected Hamas. Its eyes for eyes all around

    • @pinkdrunkenelephants
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      No one is ever rejecting violence for any reason. And you’re immoral for demanding it.

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        Think about it. If you want world peace people have to go for it every day. I am not demanding shit. Everyone can war until the sun explodes if they wish. You don’t have to like it. But if humanity wants peace thry have to choose it.

        • @pinkdrunkenelephants
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          I am not demanding shit.

          You don’t have to like it. But if humanity wants peace thry have to choose it.

          🤣🤣🤣

          Yeah, dream on, no one is ever going to give up the conflicts, values and issues that matter to them just because you get the icks from something that is ultimately not your business.

          • @Sanctus
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            09 months ago

            See? Humanity chooses violence even when it is not necessary. You mock and laugh yet offer no substance. You want to be angry at this statement because you know that if our governments couldn’t get us to fight each other there would be no war. Go ahead, keep being strung along by your emotions while the world booms “our religions are that of peace!” while surrounded on all sides by warfare and exploitation. You’re mad because I am telling you the truth. And you don’t want to accept that all of man’s struggles can become trivialities if we truly love one another. Stay mad tho.

            • @pinkdrunkenelephants
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              Yeah, they do, because it works and because it is the more just option in some instances.

              I, for example, am on .cafe allowing my account to be downvoted by rape apologists who are arguing rapists have an absolute right to participate in the community regardless of what they do and the fact that their actions put the community in danger. I oppose rape on principle and think rapists ought to be jailed for life. You think shit Lemmy users are going to listen? No, and the downvotes prove it. But will it affect or change anything? Or change their minds? Absolutely not. Because humanity is inherently evil and violent, and nothing you and I say or do will change that.

              You can’t make violent evil people change their minds, and you can never stop violence just as I can never stop enablers from keeping rapists in the community.

              Deontological morality like the kind you and I apply to such situations therefore doesn’t work, and we both need to rethink our approach. You want to make the world a better place? Stop focusing on changing the zoo animals and just feed and cage them, where they belong.