As US allies reel from Donald Trump’s weekend comments encouraging Russia to attack European allies if they don’t meet NATO budget contribution goals, multiple former Trump advisers warn in my upcoming book that the former president will seek to formally withdraw the US from the NATO alliance if he wins a second term.
Are you listening at all or are you just looking for a cheap gotcha moment?
Instead of advocating for a third party that can possibly offer us something better, all they have to offer is more of the same or a concentration camp, and neither choice is acceptable.
Hooray! My 3rd party candidate got 9% of the vote! It shows that there is a chance for a 3rd party in the US, assuming democracy survives 4 more years under Republican/Trump executive control.
Precisely three third party candidates have won any EC votes in the last century: George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Robert La Follete. Follete won Wisconsin, and the other two unsurprising only won states in the deep south.
The likely “best case” scenario would be something like the 1912 election, which was essentially a three way race between former Republican president Teddy Roosevelt running third party against the incumbent Republican Taft, and the Democratic challenger, Willson.
Willson won 41.8% of the popular vote, and 81% of of EC vote. Taft got 23% of the vote, and managed to carry Vermont and Utah. Roosevelt got 27% of the vote, and carried 6 states. Eugene Debs didn’t win a single state with his 6% of the vote - and its worth noting that the last time a third party candidate did as well as Debs was Perot, back in 96.
A majority of the country voted for a current or former Republican president, yet the election was a land slide for the Democrat in the EC.
Because of the structure of the EC, third parties are either irrelevant protest votes (such as the south protest voting for segregationists) or they blow up in your face. Why would this time be different?
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One significant problem with a pro-Palestinian third party revolt against Biden is that Democratic support for Palestinians isn’t anywhere near high enough for a universal revolt against Biden on that issue. It’d just be begging for a repeat of 1912.
Netanyahu’s poll numbers are pretty rock bottom among Democrats, but a majority of older Democrats see Israel as a legitimate state with an unfortunately far right current government that’s going too far in their current war against a terrorist organization. They’re not looking for a free Palestine that stretches from the river to the sea.
Have you tried coordinating 5 people for a dinner party? Imagine trying to get 75 million people to all agree to switch to one of various third parties?
Biden got the most votes of any president in history. Trump is ranked number two. It is simply a risk we cannot take at this time. If you vote 3rd party in 2024, you are betting your rights, women’s rights, non-Christians rights, LGBTQ rights, worker’s rights, and the possiblity of ever having free and fair elections on the most hazy of fevered pipe dreams. Anyone who does this a fucking moron. You’re out here bitching about how conservative Biden is, when christofascist terrorists have a gun pressed into the back of your head. You can feel morally superior in your ghetto I guess.
You should probably practice being quiet. In the future you are ushering in, you won’t have a right to express opinions. Unless you are a straight white wealthy christian man, in that case, feel free to keep blabbing.
That’s what you all tell me to do on Lemmy here, now, when you blatantly refuse to enforce your own rules or reign in your own shitty, authoritarian leadership. You even said to my face that you’ll do whatever the hell you want and that’s just how the internet works. You ALREADY expect people to just live that way so what makes you think any of your holier than thou grandstanding means anything?
You’re probably just butthurt it isn’t you running for President.
Oh hey, I think the comment was meant for someone else who was telling you that voting 3rd party when the ability to have free and fair elections is at stake is a sign that you might have a room-temp IQ. I haven’t said anything about enforcing rules or doing whatever I want.
Oh hey, I think we were talking about Lemmy users organizing anything meaningful or just politically when they’ve clearly demonstrated their inability and refusal to do so on their own website.
Are you listening at all or are you just looking for a cheap gotcha moment?
Instead of advocating for a third party that can possibly offer us something better, all they have to offer is more of the same or a concentration camp, and neither choice is acceptable.
Hooray! My 3rd party candidate got 9% of the vote! It shows that there is a chance for a 3rd party in the US, assuming democracy survives 4 more years under Republican/Trump executive control.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Then all of you find a third party and vote for them instead of Biden. Force the change you want to see in thr world. Until then, get out of my face.
Precisely three third party candidates have won any EC votes in the last century: George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Robert La Follete. Follete won Wisconsin, and the other two unsurprising only won states in the deep south.
The likely “best case” scenario would be something like the 1912 election, which was essentially a three way race between former Republican president Teddy Roosevelt running third party against the incumbent Republican Taft, and the Democratic challenger, Willson.
Willson won 41.8% of the popular vote, and 81% of of EC vote. Taft got 23% of the vote, and managed to carry Vermont and Utah. Roosevelt got 27% of the vote, and carried 6 states. Eugene Debs didn’t win a single state with his 6% of the vote - and its worth noting that the last time a third party candidate did as well as Debs was Perot, back in 96.
A majority of the country voted for a current or former Republican president, yet the election was a land slide for the Democrat in the EC.
Because of the structure of the EC, third parties are either irrelevant protest votes (such as the south protest voting for segregationists) or they blow up in your face. Why would this time be different?
Edit:
One significant problem with a pro-Palestinian third party revolt against Biden is that Democratic support for Palestinians isn’t anywhere near high enough for a universal revolt against Biden on that issue. It’d just be begging for a repeat of 1912.
Netanyahu’s poll numbers are pretty rock bottom among Democrats, but a majority of older Democrats see Israel as a legitimate state with an unfortunately far right current government that’s going too far in their current war against a terrorist organization. They’re not looking for a free Palestine that stretches from the river to the sea.
Have you tried coordinating 5 people for a dinner party? Imagine trying to get 75 million people to all agree to switch to one of various third parties?
Biden got the most votes of any president in history. Trump is ranked number two. It is simply a risk we cannot take at this time. If you vote 3rd party in 2024, you are betting your rights, women’s rights, non-Christians rights, LGBTQ rights, worker’s rights, and the possiblity of ever having free and fair elections on the most hazy of fevered pipe dreams. Anyone who does this a fucking moron. You’re out here bitching about how conservative Biden is, when christofascist terrorists have a gun pressed into the back of your head. You can feel morally superior in your ghetto I guess.
Then the left would not have been able to organize at all, yet here we are.
People are moving away from Biden and standing by him is going to cost you the future of this country.
You should probably practice being quiet. In the future you are ushering in, you won’t have a right to express opinions. Unless you are a straight white wealthy christian man, in that case, feel free to keep blabbing.
That’s what you all tell me to do on Lemmy here, now, when you blatantly refuse to enforce your own rules or reign in your own shitty, authoritarian leadership. You even said to my face that you’ll do whatever the hell you want and that’s just how the internet works. You ALREADY expect people to just live that way so what makes you think any of your holier than thou grandstanding means anything?
You’re probably just butthurt it isn’t you running for President.
Oh hey, I think the comment was meant for someone else who was telling you that voting 3rd party when the ability to have free and fair elections is at stake is a sign that you might have a room-temp IQ. I haven’t said anything about enforcing rules or doing whatever I want.
Oh hey, I think we were talking about Lemmy users organizing anything meaningful or just politically when they’ve clearly demonstrated their inability and refusal to do so on their own website.
Now read what I said again. Slowly this time.