I recognize that Chris Chan is bat shit insane, but I also believe fundamentally that we should refer to people by their preferred pronouns. I’m not going to put myself in the position of deciding who meets my requirements of being trans - epistemologically that’s a very hard thing to “prove.” I don’t like the precedent of this person is bad/crazy so they aren’t valid as trans people - we don’t “earn” our right to be called the correct pronoun. Would I have concerns about Chris Chan being sane enough to make reasonable decisions about HRT? Yes - but there’s zero harm in acknowledging the pronouns she prefers.
I just really think it’s dangerous to let the internet decide who is “allowed” to be considered trans. I’m a transgender man myself - I’ve experienced significant sexual trauma and there is definitely a narrative that women who aren’t really trans are tricked into transitioning because of sexual trauma.
I also do think in Christory there’s more evidence than just the Idea Guys. She historically showed a lot of disgust and comfort with penises and men. I understand not wanting her in “our camp” but I strongly believe in referring to people the way they wish to be referred to.
I think the true horror of Chris Chan’s story is that the internet can harass a severely disabled person for several decades, and folks will treat this as acceptable or deserved. Chris Chan’s break with reality makes sense - how many fake girlfriends have there been now? - but people really love the craziness. I actually like her work (in an outsider artist sense) but someone should have stopped this insanity two decades ago.
I also do think in Christory there’s more evidence than just the Idea Guys. She historically showed a lot of disgust and comfort with penises and men. I understand not wanting her in “our camp” but I strongly believe in referring to people the way they wish to be referred to.
Context is everything, Chris’ disgust with penises was the result of homophobia, being incredibly outspoken about it to the point of having an arc in his comic where his blood is used for a vaccine to cure gayness, and his dislike of men started in his 20’s when he believed that the “Infinitely High Boyfriend Factor” was a thing, and that all of the men were “stealing all the pretty girls and leaving him with none”
He was also a giant misogynist and a record of only seeing women as sex objects, to the point of thinking it was not only appropriate to draw porn of his childhood friend and put that on the internet (To prove that he wasn’t gay, yes this happened the picture is called ShecameforCWC), then told her that she was the one who did something wrong by being upset about this, and actually yelled at Sony for not enabling him to buy sex from her with a PSP… Seriously.
The extent to which Chris was “Made the way he was by the trolls” is often overstated, friendly reminder when he sexually assaulted his own mother he wasn’t goaded into it, tricked, or blackmailed, he did it of his own freewill and his trolls were not only shocked he did this, but were the ones who reported this to the police in the first place.
But that aside, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here…
I legitimately think Chris has gender issues, but I think a lot of that is being ignorant of how gender works in general and not understanding men and women beyond “Men are tough and like babes and brewskis!” and “Women be shopping and they hug each other and stuff!”, due in a large part to the fact that pop culture is all he knows, and he can’t even get that right.
The extent to which Chris was “Made the way he was by the trolls” is often overstated, friendly reminder when he sexually assaulted his own mother he wasn’t goaded into it, tricked, or blackmailed, he did it of his own freewill and his trolls were not only shocked he did this, but were the ones who reported this to the police in the first place.
Bella is not a good source. There’s already evidence that she has fabricated other texts.
And if Bella was the only source you’d have a point, but around the same time he admitted it to people who had nothing to do with Bella.
The only part of it that Bella made up was the idea that BDSM Roleplay was used, the fact that Chris tried to use “magic” to heal his sick mother and this “magic” was in the form of him sexually assaulting her. He’s written several letter from jail where he admits to it, and the only part he’s upset about is that the people he told of the act tattled on him, not that he was falsely accused, not that he was worried about his mom, that he got caught.
I recognize that Chris Chan is bat shit insane, but I also believe fundamentally that we should refer to people by their preferred pronouns. I’m not going to put myself in the position of deciding who meets my requirements of being trans - epistemologically that’s a very hard thing to “prove.” I don’t like the precedent of this person is bad/crazy so they aren’t valid as trans people - we don’t “earn” our right to be called the correct pronoun. Would I have concerns about Chris Chan being sane enough to make reasonable decisions about HRT? Yes - but there’s zero harm in acknowledging the pronouns she prefers.
I just really think it’s dangerous to let the internet decide who is “allowed” to be considered trans. I’m a transgender man myself - I’ve experienced significant sexual trauma and there is definitely a narrative that women who aren’t really trans are tricked into transitioning because of sexual trauma.
I also do think in Christory there’s more evidence than just the Idea Guys. She historically showed a lot of disgust and comfort with penises and men. I understand not wanting her in “our camp” but I strongly believe in referring to people the way they wish to be referred to.
I think the true horror of Chris Chan’s story is that the internet can harass a severely disabled person for several decades, and folks will treat this as acceptable or deserved. Chris Chan’s break with reality makes sense - how many fake girlfriends have there been now? - but people really love the craziness. I actually like her work (in an outsider artist sense) but someone should have stopped this insanity two decades ago.
Context is everything, Chris’ disgust with penises was the result of homophobia, being incredibly outspoken about it to the point of having an arc in his comic where his blood is used for a vaccine to cure gayness, and his dislike of men started in his 20’s when he believed that the “Infinitely High Boyfriend Factor” was a thing, and that all of the men were “stealing all the pretty girls and leaving him with none”
He was also a giant misogynist and a record of only seeing women as sex objects, to the point of thinking it was not only appropriate to draw porn of his childhood friend and put that on the internet (To prove that he wasn’t gay, yes this happened the picture is called ShecameforCWC), then told her that she was the one who did something wrong by being upset about this, and actually yelled at Sony for not enabling him to buy sex from her with a PSP… Seriously.
The extent to which Chris was “Made the way he was by the trolls” is often overstated, friendly reminder when he sexually assaulted his own mother he wasn’t goaded into it, tricked, or blackmailed, he did it of his own freewill and his trolls were not only shocked he did this, but were the ones who reported this to the police in the first place.
But that aside, we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here…
I legitimately think Chris has gender issues, but I think a lot of that is being ignorant of how gender works in general and not understanding men and women beyond “Men are tough and like babes and brewskis!” and “Women be shopping and they hug each other and stuff!”, due in a large part to the fact that pop culture is all he knows, and he can’t even get that right.
Bella is not a good source. There’s already evidence that she has fabricated other texts.
And if Bella was the only source you’d have a point, but around the same time he admitted it to people who had nothing to do with Bella.
The only part of it that Bella made up was the idea that BDSM Roleplay was used, the fact that Chris tried to use “magic” to heal his sick mother and this “magic” was in the form of him sexually assaulting her. He’s written several letter from jail where he admits to it, and the only part he’s upset about is that the people he told of the act tattled on him, not that he was falsely accused, not that he was worried about his mom, that he got caught.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
Since you linked the CWCki, I will do the same - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Affair_with_Mother