What you need to know about the dangerous Android banking trojan that's been ported to iPhone
  • chiisana
    1•9 months ago

    It absolutely has happened on Android. The Russian government has launched their own app store, as an example of a state-owned-and-operated third party app store.

    Additionally, once both iOS and Android are opened up, the capability to control the end-to-end distribution on both platforms simultaneously becomes a much larger incentive for major corporations; gone are the days where some users receives some features earlier because the other app store have not pushed the update yet – they control it end-to-end.

    I mean, I should be abundantly clear: simply operating a third party store does not equate to malicious intent. Some would argue the corporation case above could be considered beneficial for users. However, having third party stores with varying degree of security capabilities increases attack vectors for bad actors, and thereby making it more difficult for everyday users to manage – an additional layer of complexity iOS users have not had to deal with for many years and very very few has signed up for.

    • @[email protected]
      1•9 months ago

      Are all russians forced to use it? If so did that come because of sanctions? If thats the case you just highlighted a great reason to open up. If not I don’t really see an issue because thats the whole reason behind this change.

      Big corpos will never choose to force users to do things the hard way unless they absolutely must. Most normies wouldn’t be able to use their product. And most privacy protections are built into the OS, not the store.

      And if some gvmnt wants to spy and control its users they will regardless of how restricted the walled garden is, the NSA and similar exemplifies this perfectly.

      • chiisana
        1•9 months ago

        Let’s park the specific geopolitical powers for a moment, because I cannot speak on behalf of countries and their intentions.

        People are inherently different, and have different mindsets and believes. You and I clearly don’t fully agree on whether or not iOS App Store should be opened up for example; and while our lack of alignments are fairly benign, there will always be entities on different ends of our own individual biased points of views. Some of these are relatively minor (like the App Store), others are far more significant (like privacy concerns). There are plenty of world powers that would prefer to have access to more private information, and they are, as of today, without third party App Stores, having a much harder time doing such on the Apple iOS ecosystem. This is because in order to run anything, you’d have to get through Apple’s stringent review process, and while there are plenty of terrible things we’d like to see gone from the App Store, they’ve got years of experience in heuristic detection, are generally fairly good about detecting malicious apps, and can revoke notarization when something does slip through.

        Now, a hypothetical world power with drastic different view than you or I (and we don’t even have to agree with each other here) could start their own third party App Store, and bypass a lot of the checks and balances currently in place. “Don’t install that app store, and don’t install apps from it” is not an answer if they are in a position of power over you for whatever reason. I’ve called out a couple; maybe you need to pass through their country and their travel authorization at their airport is done via an app distributed only through their own app store; maybe you have family residing in such an area, and their only way to communicate with you is through a chat app through such an app store; etc. etc.

        That is the problem this opens up. And while government entities have a lot of surveillance capability, they’re not having a lot of success with modern day end-to-end encryption, which is why there’s continuous legislative attempts against encryption while hiding behind the guise of child protection / anti-terrorism / national security / etc. etc., and the demand is often to have government known backdoors in the encryption – I trust you’re savvy enough to know how absurd that sounds that we don’t need to go into detail here.

        Everything that’s came to light so far seems to create a net negative experience for vast majority of iOS users – third party stores that peels away layers of security and losing ability to use PWA are just two casualties we’ve became aware of so far. The gong show will likely continue and we’ll just have to wait to see what else comes to light as it further plays out.

        • @[email protected]
          1•9 months ago

          My point this whole time is that this hypothetical world power doesn’t need an open store to make things easier. If they did, they would be doing this to Android already. And no, its not unnecessary because the relevant checks and balances are mostly baked into the OS, not the store. This simply ain’t a thing.

          Getting users to install spyware by their own volition is much harder than simply cooking up an exploit to spy on users, or spying directly through the ISPs. Or by triangulating your location through cell towers. Or by legislating backdoors.

          I specifically mentioned the NSA not to be political but because they are verifiably already doing the things you said can hypotetically be done, but to both OSes, right now, despite the security measures in place, and for many many years now. Police can effortlessly hack any phone through 4g using equipment called stingrays, right from your pocket, look that one up. There was never a need to make iphones more open and fair to the users to make it happen. Beause its already happening regardless.

          Apple is probably peddling this security narrative, but its a fallacious argument at best. And it happens every single time we force them to be good against their will.

          I clearly hit a brick wall here so imma just head out, have a good day, and relax about it, its gonna be good for everyone if it comes to pass.