• FaceDeer
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    1969 months ago

    I must admit, “Linux becomes the refuge of luddites” was never on any bingo card I could have conceived of for 202X.

    • Ekky
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      959 months ago

      Huh? Isn’t this about Microsoft changing out a button with a well established use, in order to take advantage of muscle memory and the unobservant?

      Don’t think it’s much to do with people opposing technological advancement, but rather with opposing another company wanting to making a fool of them.

      • Rustmilian
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        259 months ago

        More over being a luddite on Linux is like a fish trying to breathe in a public swimming pool; it works until the chlorine poisoning sets in.
        Linux adopts new technology constantly.

        • @[email protected]
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          849 months ago

          The difference is that Linux generally adopts new technology because it enhances the user experience in some way, and not because it maximizes ad revenue and telemetry.

          • Rustmilian
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            Yes, but eventually that LTS goes EOL and you’ll have to move from that abandonware.

            • Granixo
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              99 months ago

              Ubuntu LTS versions can last 10-12 years before EOL.

              • Rustmilian
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                Yes, 10-12y to swim, slowly in-taking chlorine overtime…
                Then when you do finally switch, you find yourself in a similar yet vastly different swimming pool and the cycle starts over.
                Imagine when eventually the LTS goes Wayland only and Luddites go : “I’mma just stay with my abandonware forever.”
                Luddites hate adapting to new technology as a character trait, it’s what makes them a Luddite.
                Luddites will often choose to deal with decrepit, vulnerable, abandonware then change to something new because they don’t want to spend a week learning new “muscle memory”.

      • FaceDeer
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        This is just another gripe about how Microsoft is putting AI into everything. If it’s really just about the position of a button (which apparently can be changed in the settings if you still want it there) it’s even more petty. Certainly not worth posting about on a general technology community.

        • @[email protected]
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          309 months ago

          I work in IT, and every time I do an install (sometimes new computers, sometimes not) for someone I see Microsoft’s little News widget they put on the Taskbar, the one that pops up a huge window if you mouse over it. Every time I see that, I ask the person if they ever use it, and they always say no. Then I ask them if they want it gone, and they always say yes, usually with some kind of relief. It’s a matter of two clicks to do it, easier than going into the settings menu like your screenshot, but every computer I haven’t been on previously has it. Now, I’d wonder why Microsoft would put something on the Taskbar that is, in my experience, universally disliked. To me it reeks of the pathetic, groveling, “I’ll suck your dick” energy they have when someone installs Chrome.

          Windows 10 changed a lot over the course of its lifetime, and while some feature are good, like Dark Mode, they’re mostly useless or downright bad. So putting something that most people will never use and will greatly confuse and annoy the average user in a place that has been dedicated to a single function for at the very least Windows 10’s entire lifetime (I think it’s there in 8 and maybe 7 also) for seemingly no reason other than to fuck with people’s muscle memory is just one more move very worthy of griping about, no matter how easy it is for users to turn off. Because 99% of users just won’t, because they aren’t confident enough to go futzing around in the settings. But they’ll still get whatever god awful popup this button shows every time they try to show desktop like they’ve been doing for over a decade. It’s yet another change that nobody asked for, nobody will use, and that the user will have to remember that it’s different now for no reason.

    • Rustmilian
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      589 months ago

      The Luddites of Linux are one’s desperately trying to convince people that Xorg is perfectly flawless and that Wayland is vaporware.

      • @eskimofry
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        329 months ago

        A luddite should ideally not involve in Display Server wars

      • @[email protected]
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        39 months ago

        Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

        Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.

        It’s simply functionally inferior now. Calling people luddites won’t change that.

        • Rustmilian
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          Why would people you call luddites even care about your opinion really?

          Literally, YOU right now.
          Also, this is the linux community; everyone has an opinion on everyone else’s opinion.

          Come back with your Wayland ad when there’s something like CWM or FVWM for it.

          LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.

          It’s simply functionally inferior now.

          It’s functionally superior in many ways, and here’s the real kicker, its actually maintainable and expandable.
          Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.
          I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.

          • @fuckwit_mcbumcrumble
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            149 months ago

            Just fyi this isn’t the Linux community. It’s just “technology”.

            Granted on lemmy it’s basically just one big Linux community.

            • Rustmilian
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              49 months ago

              Didn’t even realize lmao.

          • @[email protected]
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            -129 months ago

            Literally, YOU right now.

            I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions. So I don’t care about you in particular.

            Sway, Hyperland, Vivarium, DWL, Velox, etc.

            Wrong.

            Xorg HDR when? How many decades and still don’t have HDR? LMAO.

            I don’t use HDR and I don’t care. Just like you don’t care about what I use.

            its actually maintainable and expandable.

            Yes, I’m sure somewhere 10 years after I’ll use it after it’s been finally expanded to something usable.

            I’m done waiting for Xorg to improve and implement features that simply will never be.

            Too bad

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              I’m improving the community by answering demonstrably stupid opinions

              You answer you’re own opinions? funny.

              Wrong

              CWM : stacking window manger
              LabWC, Enlightenment, Wayfire, Weston, and Sway, etc.

              FVWM : Tab Window Manager
              DWL, Hyprland, Sway again, etc.

              You’re factually disproven.

              I don’t use HDR and I don’t care…
              I’m sure somewhere 10 years after…

              Luddite : one who is opposed to technological change.
              Thanks for proving my point. For further discussion you can TELNET me @ www.megaboomerenergy.com::80

              • @[email protected]
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                -39 months ago

                This is incomprehensible, you are arguing not having seen once what you are arguing about.

                • Rustmilian
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                  If you want a 1:1 equivalent WM, then you’ll just have to build it yourself scrub.
                  The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    The WMs I listed can already do everything CWM & FVWM can, then some.

                    I can send you my FVWM config and hear how are you going to achieve that.

      • @mriormro
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        You people are fucking crazy and will literally find anything to fight about. Normal users don’t care about this sort of shit and it’s the thing that turns people completely off when they inevitably run into a problem with Linux.

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          inevitably run into a problem with Linux

          This has nothing to do with any of kind of Linux problem.
          It’s just Luddites crying because Linux is moving on from outdated flawed software that has a bunch of unfixable problems.
          Same shit happens with windows, my guy. “WHAAAAAAAA MY WINDOWS XP/98 WHAAAAAA”, at least it’s often partially valid for windows…
          Luddites are not exclusive to any particular OS.

          If someone is having a Linux issue, they just need to ask. Literally just ask me, or the vast major of other users, we’ll literally provide better tech support than Windows will ever have.

          • Kaity
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            yeah I’ve seen the windows support forums, every official response either misses the point of the question or the answer is straight up wrong.

            • Rustmilian
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              What gets me is the replies like “just wipe it & reinstall the whole thing”.
              Yeah right, like I’mma spend an entire hour wiping, reformatting and reinstalling Windows, then varying additional time reconfiguring everything for a problem that likely has an extremely simple solution but they’re too lazy to gather the necessary information to actually solve it.
              Assuming that the Windows installer doesn’t fuck up and I have to restart the install process again, which has happened to me several times.
              At least Linux takes 5-10m tops to install for the user friendly distros.
              Even I, a Linux user who’s spent hours upon days debugging kernel issues for my hardware can see how fuckin stupid that shit copout advice is.

        • @Harbinger01173430
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          Yeah, I don’t know why they devolve back to tribalism. I just installed the thing and the programs I had to use and just…kept using it since I didn’t want to pirate windows xd. No need to shout to others what’s my favorite fake non Unix distro or anything.

          • Rustmilian
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            This is not tribalism.
            This is people crying because Windows moved from 95 to 98 for comparison.

            Xorg has a plethora of unfixable issues, and people are mad that we can’t & don’t want to stick to it for all eternity, crippling the hell out of Linux growth & innovation.

            • @Harbinger01173430
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              I just hope they get rid of the ancient stuff to make the neckbeards seethe xd

    • @aeronmelon
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      279 months ago

      If Linux Luddites could TELNET into Lemmy, they would be very angry with you!

    • @[email protected]
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      139 months ago

      It would mean corporate software support. And while you might still choose FOSS, it means money pouring into Linux—which is always a good thing.

      • FaceDeer
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        29 months ago

        That article attempts to paint Luddism in a positive light and then tries to redefine the term to mean something very for “neo-Luddites” anyway. I don’t find it particularly compelling or well reasoned.

    • @radamant
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      29 months ago

      What do you mean? Vocal parts of Linux community is about 80% luddites