• @zourn
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    1310 months ago

    That’s an interesting opinion. Unfortunately, the facts don’t quite align with your feelings.

    it’s imperative that we have strong police forces throughout the country to minimize crime

    Why do you believe this? Police forces as they exist today aren’t even as old as the US. Sure, the US wasn’t a bastion of freedom upon its founding but that wasn’t due to a lack of police. The absolute biggest factors for controlling neighborhood level crime are increasing public education and reducing the effects of poverty.

    I don’t think people understand how big, and free the US is. Whenever you get something like this, strict law enforcement is not only needed, it’s required.

    And this is the weirdest take right here. Freedom and strong, strict police forces are inversely related by definition. One could even point to the origin of many police departments as opposition to freedom.

    • @ZK686
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      -1110 months ago

      Feelings? What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago? I mean, there has to be law and order. Are you proposing we “loosen” up on things, and just hope people will get nicer?

      • @zourn
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        810 months ago

        Yes, feelings are when you think something works in a certain way without facts to back it up. Like the opinion that strict policing reduces crime. It’s a common opinion, but not one that is consistent with the facts.

        Do you think that Oakland, Chicago, and Detroit do not have police? Those cities have very harsh police departments and it’s not reducing crime. What those cities do have in common is a high poverty rate when geographically controlled and above average poverty rates for the US without even taking geography into account.

        What do I want? I want to make changes that comport to the facts of the world, not people’s feelings.

      • @frostysauce
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        310 months ago

        What do you propose, that we allow the entire country to turn into areas like Oakland, Detroit, or Chicago?

        I’m willing to bet you’ve never left the suburbs of a Southern state.

        • @ZK686
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          -510 months ago

          I live in California, I travel extensively for work. I’ve been to many major cities throughout the US… the inner cities are horrible. I’m thankful I live in a smaller city (not the suburbs) in California that 100% supports its police department, low crime rates, and community support for each other.

      • @RampantParanoia2365
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        310 months ago

        No. They are proposing officers get proper training. That’s how you get a strong force, by making sure they’re competent.