• @LinkerbaanOP
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    So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?

    Since you are still under the impression that Hamas indiscriminately killed civilians, here’s a nice video explaining what really happened on oct7

    • Sybil
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      89 months ago

      is all of this compiled anywhere else? bullet points or something with links?

      i believe it, but i won’t spread it unless i can verify it.

      • @LinkerbaanOP
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        19 months ago

        You’re right I have repeated myself a lot over the last months which tends to get tiring but this person might not yet be up to date.

        I will rephrase my previous comment thank you for pointing it out.

    • @rdri
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      So what you’re saying is that Hamas should have known that israel are such insanely brutal barbarian Nazi’s that they should have been too scared to stand up against oppression?

      I can’t say what they should have known, but ot looks like they were really aiming for Israel to go “your rocket strikes always hurt but that massacre hit us especially hard, and you also took civillians as hostages, so yeah, we have no choice but to stop oppressing you. Sorry for everything and you can keep the hostages”, which couldn’t be fruitful no matter how you look at it.

      Did you see videos recorded by Palestinians themselves on that day though?

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        59 months ago

        Random gore videos from syria and other places and some rape videos from different time and regions. I was scared as a muslim but my friends said be brave, idf is good at spreading false information and it really did happen.

        • @rdri
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          You mean all those videos are fake?

          • @IndustryStandard
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            09 months ago

            Many of the videos are real. Hamas definitely shot some civilians. The problem is all the burnt bodies.

            If you ask the question “How did Israel count 250 burnt Hamas fighters as Israeli civilians” the narrative falls apart.

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              I don’t think such a question is what a theoretical judgment should end with.

              I’d like to ask a question “is there an explanation of logic behind the attack on October 7?”.

              The only explanation I can come up with is that hamas wanted a lot of Palestinians to get killed. This fits more points in a “hamas doesn’t care about Palestinians” narrative, than any other explanation would fit the “Israel doesn’t care about Israeli” narrative.

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                The explanation is that Israel has been effectively laying seige to them for 30 years, and they found a chance to actually hurt them and seized it. There was no other choice available to them. If some Palestinians survive this, it will be more than would have survived without the 10/7 attack

                • @rdri
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                  09 months ago

                  What are you talking about? Did you see Gaza population charts for last years?

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                    There’s a similar fallacy that’s often applied to USSR under Stalin: when you compare populations in 1930 to 1934, IE appx the length of the devastating famine they experienced, you’ll see that it declined something like 20% over that time. People who generate propaganda about communism will say that something like 30 million people died during it, by subtracting the numbers, and ignoring the fact that birth rates had been steadily dropping for years as the famine grew worse. What actually happened is that 5-8 million died, and 22 million were never born.

                    My point being that it is inherently pretty misleading to use population data as the majority of your evidence. The most reliable evidence we have, IE our eyes and ears, shows us that Israel is deliberately harming and often killing Palestinians, under the logic of being a superior race. We can quibble about data all you like, the fact is that Israel is most certainly committing genocide.

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        I saw all the videos of Oct7.

        They took hostages because israel has illegally kidnapped many Palestinians and tortures them in prison without trial before oct7. And Hamas wants to trade their hostages for the Palestinians hostages kidnapped by israel.

        Did you see this video one though

        • @rdri
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          09 months ago

          How many hostages does Israel hold?

            • @rdri
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              09 months ago

              So is it okay to propose that hamas could have a success if they captured the same amount?

              • @LinkerbaanOP
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                19 months ago

                No israel would still kill all the hostages held by Hamas. Their government doesn’t care about hostages.

                • @rdri
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                  09 months ago

                  Did hamas know that all along?

      • @[email protected]
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        They are being kept there, they are not allowed to leave. Normally I would call that a prison, but prison would imply that they were convicted of a crime, which they weren’t. They are kept there, because Israel considers Palestinians to be an undesirable ethnicity. That is a concentration camp. You are conflating concentration camp with the nazi death camps.

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            Palestinians with dual nationality might be able to leave, but most of them can’t just leave. Gaza is surrounded by blockades imposed by Israel and Egypt, which restrict movement. Israel prevents access to and from Gaza by sea and air. Land movement is restricted to three crossings: the Egypt-controlled Rafah crossing and Erez and Kerem Shalom crossings, which Israel controls.

              • @LinkerbaanOP
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                89 months ago

                No Palestinians can leave! what blockade?

                Actually Palestinians can’t leave because they’re all Hamas

                pick one

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                  That’s also why they aren’t letting the rodents leave, the rodents are also Hamas. And obviously, hospitals and churches are well known to be the highest ranking members of Hamas.

                  • Red Army Dog Cooper
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                    69 months ago

                    your a parinoid Genocide supporter and you might want to rethink your positions before you find yourself on the wrong side of history forever, If you belive in a maker, with an afterlife, they will judge you, they will judge you harshly and you will most certanly find yourself in the worst possible version of said afterlife, asuming ofcorse you belive in it, repent now.

                    your claims are paridoxical and all fall into a typical facistic fraimowrk of the enemy is both strong and weak, everywhere and now where, can do and is free to do what they want, and cannot because they are all terrorists,

                    a half ounce of self reflection would go along way for you

              • Red Army Dog Cooper
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                79 months ago

                most citizens of Isn’treal have dule citizenship, why do you genocidal manachs just leave.

                also is Hamas in the room right now?

                also agian, Eradicating a genocidal state is a noble goal, and the only place saying their goal is eradication of jews is Isn’treal who also says that critisizing them is tantimout to anti-semitism, when there is a stronger historical connection to zionism and anti-semitism

          • Red Army Dog Cooper
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            89 months ago

            the closed borders on both sides,

            the fact Isn’treal has been providing “safe locations” then promptly bombing them in violation if international law

            the fact Isn’treal has been bombing hospitals and schools in violation of international law

            also no one here has said anything about them being animals … but the Isn’treal government has… a mark of a genocidal government.

          • Red Army Dog Cooper
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            89 months ago

            The ICJ found that there was Genocide and Ruled that Isn’treal must take all steps practicle to stop the genocide, why have you not done that yet?

              • Red Army Dog Cooper
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                89 months ago

                I mean first, I need to point out that that Isn’treal was convicted genocide.

                I would also like to point out that the “hostages” potentialy could be called Prisoners of war, have been demonstrated as safer with Hamas as the IOF has shot released POWs who have come under a white flag to the IOF

      • @LinkerbaanOP
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        59 months ago

        People are locked in a camp

        People are bombed to death

        People are starved to death

        How can you be so arrogant about a subject you know nothing about at all?

        Are you denying that the Holocaust happened because you weren’t there first hand?