Are you asking why there’s no representation or why the animosity is mostly at MTFs?
For representation I would guess it’s because society is transphobic and likes to see FTMs as female still and pushes that female gender norm of being unseen and unrepresented.
I imagine the animosity is because mainstream society is transphobic and if you’re born male you’re a threat but not if born female.
In short, I think both are a combination of transfobia and traditional gender norms.
I’m not sure you need to implicate society in pushing them to be unseen. It’s my impression that part of ftm is desire to avoid certain types of attention and just live life since male gender has a kind of default status in society. I’m not saying it’s the reason they are trans but part of the motivation to act on it, so the people who do act on it are more likely to be the type to just blend into the background.
Please do not generalise trans folk like that. Not only is it inaccurate to group the desire of all trans men as being unified, the generalisation itself feeds in to all sort of unspoken implications around trans women actively seeking attention, and those sort, often subconscious ideas, are a part of why trans women are hyper visible and trans men are under represented by the media
I never said all or even most or anything like that. I don’t know how to answer a question about trends without talking about trends. The question presumes that a generalization can be made about someone.
But here’s I hope a better way to put my answer. Society seems to have a lot more, stronger, and more personal opinions about women’s bodies and appearance than men’s. It is more socially acceptable to publicly appreciate and also publicly denigrate women for conformity or lack of conformity, and to include the attractiveness and correctness of the women around them in their sense of personal pride or insecurity. This makes it very hard for trans women to avoid attention and also media is going to zero in on things that get this strong personal threat reaction, whether it’s Michelle Obama’s arms or whatever. By contrast, society is much less interested in trans men because men’s bodies are not considered community property for judgment and spectacle. Society deadeyes criticism of trans men the same way it flatly ignores criticism of other males.
I don’t want to group all FTM as some monolith and just like there are CIS men who are very visible I imagine there are FTMs who desire to be so visible. I can’t speak for FTMs on what they desire but I do exist in society and I see how society treats people. When trans people are talked about I feel like it is predominantly talking about MTFs whether that is positive or negative.
Are you asking why there’s no representation or why the animosity is mostly at MTFs?
For representation I would guess it’s because society is transphobic and likes to see FTMs as female still and pushes that female gender norm of being unseen and unrepresented.
I imagine the animosity is because mainstream society is transphobic and if you’re born male you’re a threat but not if born female.
In short, I think both are a combination of transfobia and traditional gender norms.
I’m not sure you need to implicate society in pushing them to be unseen. It’s my impression that part of ftm is desire to avoid certain types of attention and just live life since male gender has a kind of default status in society. I’m not saying it’s the reason they are trans but part of the motivation to act on it, so the people who do act on it are more likely to be the type to just blend into the background.
Please do not generalise trans folk like that. Not only is it inaccurate to group the desire of all trans men as being unified, the generalisation itself feeds in to all sort of unspoken implications around trans women actively seeking attention, and those sort, often subconscious ideas, are a part of why trans women are hyper visible and trans men are under represented by the media
I never said all or even most or anything like that. I don’t know how to answer a question about trends without talking about trends. The question presumes that a generalization can be made about someone.
But here’s I hope a better way to put my answer. Society seems to have a lot more, stronger, and more personal opinions about women’s bodies and appearance than men’s. It is more socially acceptable to publicly appreciate and also publicly denigrate women for conformity or lack of conformity, and to include the attractiveness and correctness of the women around them in their sense of personal pride or insecurity. This makes it very hard for trans women to avoid attention and also media is going to zero in on things that get this strong personal threat reaction, whether it’s Michelle Obama’s arms or whatever. By contrast, society is much less interested in trans men because men’s bodies are not considered community property for judgment and spectacle. Society deadeyes criticism of trans men the same way it flatly ignores criticism of other males.
I don’t want to group all FTM as some monolith and just like there are CIS men who are very visible I imagine there are FTMs who desire to be so visible. I can’t speak for FTMs on what they desire but I do exist in society and I see how society treats people. When trans people are talked about I feel like it is predominantly talking about MTFs whether that is positive or negative.
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I didn’t word my question specifically enough, but I’ll leave it to the interpretation of the reader.
I think it’s plenty specific. Talking about the invisibility of FTMs without focusing it further lets us cover many branches of that invisibility.
I apologize if I phrased anything to be judgemental, it wasn’t my intention.
Nah you’re good don’t worry. I wanted to clarify for future readers my intent so it’s not confusing.