My oh my that is a biased youtuber. Blatantly saying no one could possibly disagree and be a, “decent person,” that Israel defending itself is, “evil winning,” makes it clear.
They “stole” the land while simultaneously buying it legally, but somehow it doesn’t count because it’s just, “a piece of paper”? Okay. That’s how land purchasing works, and it’s not theft.
It took a while to find sources, the interview of the man “laughing at atrocities” was talking about the Tantura massacre, which was terrible. One can certainly find many examples of atrocious behavior and war crimes in this long conflict. Neither Israel nor Palestine has clean hands. I’ve seen accounts of equally egregious or worse behavior by the Arab League, but that’s indirectly relevant in today’s conflict at best. Those atrocities happened in a conflict generations ago.
In this most recent chapter of the war, Gaza’s once-elected government, Hamas, was clearly the antagonist. Oct 7th was the direct cause of all this. If you have the stomach for it, you should see what they did. (warning: NSFL, cruelty, violence, death.) It put Tantura to shame, and it isn’t an atrocity of the past, it is of the present, one that needs to be addressed. Unlike grievances from generations ago, the belligerents remain a threat and further attacks need to be prevented.
Israel deserves safety and binding their hands before that can be achieved, before Hamas is deposed, before the hostages are returned, is akin to holding them down so they can’t respond to an antagonist punching them. That’s not something a good person would do in my opinion. It sucks that there’s a cost to civilians but that’s always the case when one’s government starts a war and loses. I want this war to end, but not until Israel has achieved meaningful safety goals. Otherwise, this constant violence and belligerence will just continue, and it will be blindly fired rockets, suicide bombings, and Oct 7th’s indefinitely.
I don’t find this rando cheering for the downfall of America and Israel to be compelling, if anything it’s evidence of the media bubble you inhabit.
It’s possible to disagree in good faith without going ad hominem. You should try it. I can both disagree that this is a genocide and be a decent person.
It’s disheartening how effectively Hamas and their allies has convinced the left that they are the good guys and Israel must be stopped before they are defeated. Iran made a good investment.
Interesting that you dishonestly and conveniently disregarded the expert opinion of Raz Segal; an Israeli historian residing in the United States who is Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, where he also directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program. Who vehemently describes what is happening as a genocide.
My oh my that is a biased youtuber. Blatantly saying no one could possibly disagree and be a, “decent person,” that Israel defending itself is, “evil winning,” makes it clear.
They “stole” the land while simultaneously buying it legally, but somehow it doesn’t count because it’s just, “a piece of paper”? Okay. That’s how land purchasing works, and it’s not theft.
It took a while to find sources, the interview of the man “laughing at atrocities” was talking about the Tantura massacre, which was terrible. One can certainly find many examples of atrocious behavior and war crimes in this long conflict. Neither Israel nor Palestine has clean hands. I’ve seen accounts of equally egregious or worse behavior by the Arab League, but that’s indirectly relevant in today’s conflict at best. Those atrocities happened in a conflict generations ago.
In this most recent chapter of the war, Gaza’s once-elected government, Hamas, was clearly the antagonist. Oct 7th was the direct cause of all this. If you have the stomach for it, you should see what they did. (warning: NSFL, cruelty, violence, death.) It put Tantura to shame, and it isn’t an atrocity of the past, it is of the present, one that needs to be addressed. Unlike grievances from generations ago, the belligerents remain a threat and further attacks need to be prevented.
Israel deserves safety and binding their hands before that can be achieved, before Hamas is deposed, before the hostages are returned, is akin to holding them down so they can’t respond to an antagonist punching them. That’s not something a good person would do in my opinion. It sucks that there’s a cost to civilians but that’s always the case when one’s government starts a war and loses. I want this war to end, but not until Israel has achieved meaningful safety goals. Otherwise, this constant violence and belligerence will just continue, and it will be blindly fired rockets, suicide bombings, and Oct 7th’s indefinitely.
I don’t find this rando cheering for the downfall of America and Israel to be compelling, if anything it’s evidence of the media bubble you inhabit.
So, not a decent person.
It’s possible to disagree in good faith without going ad hominem. You should try it. I can both disagree that this is a genocide and be a decent person.
It’s disheartening how effectively Hamas and their allies has convinced the left that they are the good guys and Israel must be stopped before they are defeated. Iran made a good investment.
Interesting that you dishonestly and conveniently disregarded the expert opinion of Raz Segal; an Israeli historian residing in the United States who is Associate Professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Endowed Professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University, where he also directs the Master of Arts in Holocaust and Genocide Studies program. Who vehemently describes what is happening as a genocide.
I’m sure you’re aware many similarly credentialed historians disagree with Raz Segal about that.
But yet you failed to list them. I have another Holocaust researcher that condemns Israel’s actions.