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- politics
Hillary Clinton is warning about the legality of birth control in the wake of a decision by the Alabama Supreme Court that found frozen embryos created through fertility treatments are children under state law.
“They came for abortion first. Now it’s [in vitro fertilization], and next it’ll be birth control,” the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee and secretary of State said in a post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter.
“The extreme right won’t stop trying to exert government control over our most sacred personal decisions until we codify reproductive freedom as a human right,” Clinton added.
Let me ask a hypothetical – if Sanders had been the candidate, would you have expected him to move a bit to the right to compromise with moderates and get their votes?
The whole “earn my vote” model often doesn’t consider the opposite. If you won’t vote for a moderate candidate because they haven’t earned your vote, why should a moderate vote for a progressive candidate if they feel their vote hasn’t been earned? What if moderates aren’t voting for progressives in primaries because the progressives aren’t trying to earn their vote?
I’m saying this as a progressive by the way. I think it’s a worthwhile critique that if moderate candidates need to earn our votes, so do progressive candidates. And if moderates don’t feel like their votes have been earned by the progressive candidate, it’s worthwhile for us to talk with them and explore why. I’m not going to deign to think that I’m right about everything and morally superior compared to them.
I did though. I voted for Biden in 2020. I compromised and got nothing in return. I’m out. I’m not voting for Biden again. I’m voting 3rd party or writing in.
You’ve just demonstrated how backwards and ridiculous the thinking is. Moderates have gotten so used to winning elections on their own they don’t even realize when people are compromising for them. They take it for granted and then throw a hissy fit when expectations come their way. Even worse they have the audacity to call it “entitled”, “spoiled” and so forth. It’s a complete lack of self awareness.
Moderates would rather lose to fascists than compromise with progressives and leftists. It’s pathetic.
I mean I agree, that’s my point. I don’t like the “earn my vote” model of thinking
What is the benefit of democracy if candidates aren’t trying to earn your vote?
Candidates are trying to earn the majority vote, not your vote specifically. Democracy is largely about compromise. It’s not about convincing people that you’re right, but about serving the majority. Your issue here is with the majority of voters, not the people seeking their votes.
From who? Does a majority who cannot win general elections on their own have to compromise? Or is the compromise purely one way?
It’s both. The moderates as the majority voting bloc decided on Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries and are failing to remind him he can’t win elections on their votes alone. Joe Biden should realize this and tell the moderates they can’t win elections on their own and will have to concede some policy decisions to progressives and leftists.
Progressives and leftists don’t need to be reminded democracy is about compromise. It’s the moderates and the people they elect who fail to understand this.
Re the first point, that’s an issue with your system of democracy, (I agree that it’s stupid and outdated) again not an issue with Hilary herself.
I’m afraid I have to disagree with your second point, I think we fundamentally disagree on what democracy is. Electees are there to serve the people who vote them in, if the minority of those people want change then they need to convince the electorate, not the candidates.
For context, I think we probably align quite closely politically, I just feel your expectations are misplaced.
You didn’t answer my question.
Whatever your political views actually are you’re in here doing the work defending moderates for their shitty behavior. If you spent your time arguing with them instead of someone you supposedly align with maybe we’d get somewhere.