• @TankovayaDiviziya
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    I know this is the Onion but the left is inherently anti-authoritarian and advocate of horizontal structure of society with no top-down leadership. Of course we’d be disorganised 😂 Case in point, this and the hodge podge of left wingers in the Spanish Civil War ranging from communist, social democrats, democratic socialists to anarcho-syndicalists. Spanish leftists even attacked each other. The Democrats also don’t even get along and this is why Republicans under Trump is gaining more headway.

    I’m proud that we’re maverick, but this also leads to our characteristic factionalism and thus easier to be disrupted and destroy.

    • @John_McMurray
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      No, it isn’t, You’re describing some forms of social libertarianism or rational anarchism, and calling them left. The philosophy i hear out of left identifying people these days is people desperate for lack of responsibility and wanting to be controlled by some parental government takes care of everything.

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          I quit respecting people who’s whole idea of political intellectualism iswhatever makes them feel good (usually couched in fancy talk and circular logic, with a side of disguising selfishness in false altruism) regardless of anything else, when i started to see the consequences of that philosophy. Anyways, for some reason he wanted to pretend things that fall right are left for some reason.

          • @[email protected]
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            -13 months ago

            If you ever, ever want to have any rational discussions you have to understand the opposition. You can’t just base the opposite view in childish one sided ass demonisations

            • @John_McMurray
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              13 months ago

              Didn’t I just say I’ve come to understand them?

              • @[email protected]
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                No, you again just vomited your bias over us. Nobody takes anything you say to heart because all it is is vile expressions of how little you actually have learned and to offer to the debate

                It feels like you probably somewhere understand this and I’m trying to help you understand why your approach is met with such disgust

                Behind the statements and arguments is usually some intention

                But all you do is expose utterly insane delusions lodged in your own internal battlefield. Nobody wants to engage with because it’s just nonsense.

                I’m just trying to offer some explanation should you ever wish to be met with more respect

                Try to have ideas then qualify them, instead of having lodged traumas and forming ideas from that. It’s a backward feedback system that happens beyond certain horizons of delusion and it’s very very sad to read

                Sometimes we are so hurt that we dehumanise others to make sense of the world. Nobody is a stranger to this and that is why it is so transparent when you offer these opinions

      • @TankovayaDiviziya
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        For American sensibilities born from classical liberal values, you’re correct.

        The political “left” is a big umbrella term, like the “right” is. Generally speaking, the left broadly wants distribution of resources and management to be more horizontal. The debate is how to achieve that. Some want total worker control, others believe a democratically elected government should be empowered to distribute wealth equitably. The most extreme and dystopian form is a parental centralised authority enforcing equality should do it, as you mentioned.

        On the right, they may believe in personal freedom but still uphold that human society still thrives in hierarchy. “You’re homeless? It is your fault and not my problem.” Many on the right believe you have to work hard to achieve your goals but through your own blood, sweat and tears. You have to keep up or you will be out competed. Some on the right still believe that government still has some role to help others, while some disagree. The most extreme form on the right is fascism, which advocates for total control of everything and order and hierarchy are utmost importance.

        • @John_McMurray
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          You never notice how the crazy old men hiding up alone in the mountains wanting to be left alone by the government and everyone are somehow always called right wing when the government comes for them, often in a very fascist manner?

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              Sometimes. Sometimes not, Anyways, there’s something very fishy or inconsistent with all these definitions. Rational anarchism still falls right, not left tho

              • @TankovayaDiviziya
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                23 months ago

                “Rational anarchism” isn’t the only type of anarchism.

                  • @TankovayaDiviziya
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                    23 months ago

                    Anarcho-syndicalism to left. Anarcho-capitalism to the right.

                    As others mentioned, you need to learn more about the topic.

      • @hglman
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        133 months ago

        Its funny bc you have no clue what you’re talking about.

          • @SkippingRelax
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            63 months ago

            Have you figured out who that was yet? It’s not hard

              • @[email protected]
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                43 months ago

                Yes, clearly everyone else here must be wrong. Thats the logical answer. Mighty parsimonious.

                • @John_McMurray
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                  You’d be surprised how often that happens, especially when words sound more like an obvious meaning than the real definition,