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This upcoming competition means that it’s incredibly important for US makers to figure out how to profitably make inexpensive electric vehicles, instead of merely focusing on the biggest most expensive trucks and SUVs
Electric vehicles are a means to reduce climate harm, nothing more. Anybody who thinks this is about making money doesn’t get it. Whats crazy is that we have a collapsing ecosystem, and climate, and we’re all still collectively shrugging about it and worrying about money.
When large parts of India and the equator are no longer livable, we aren’t gonna be worrying about how expensive electric cars are anymore.
This is a distraction…
Cars are not a part of an environmentally sustainable future.
Be my guest to start the trend of getting hundreds to hundreds of thousands of people living in walkable and bikeable areas. Right now, at least in the U.S., that’s not how the country is set up right now.
Human beings are genetically wired to avoid problems until the last possible moment when they have to mobilize. The situation will have to get much worse before people actually take climate change seriously. It’s unfortunate, but that’s what we are.
Good thing when things get much worse we are completely boned.
I disagree. If we were serious about climate change, we’d be rolling out mass transit improvements to reduce the number of cars on the road instead of doubling down on personal vehicles. EVs just move the pollution to battery manufacturing and electricity generation. It’s a way for people to pat themselves on the back without actually changing behavior.
I’m not saying EVs are bad, they’re probably better on net than gas cars, but they’re not the transformative change we need. My recommendation:
But no, we’re investing a ton in EV infrastructure because that sustains the current model.
A lot of your recommendations are very misinformed. Hybrids are not good for the environment. The fuel in a hybrid evaporates a lot more than a traditional ICE, it’s not the stopgap people think it is.
My EV runs on primarily renewable energy bcz my house runs on renewable energy sources. Batteries are dirty to mine, yes, but the carbon footprint is way say lower than a traditional ICE. There’s no debate there.
I agree, high speed rail, and cultural changes to how we drive are necessary. But I can’t make cities do that, hence I buy an EV and ride my bike when I can.
Source? That sounds like FUD from EV evangelists.
I’m guessing you’re referring to plugin hybrids, and only in the case of them primarily running on electricity. As in, they’re evaporating because the gas sits in the tank longer, not because of any difference in how the fuel is stored.
So per mile, hybrids, plug-in or not, use significantly less fuel than their traditional ICE counterparts.
I’m not talking about your EV, I’m talking about EVs statistically. Most people recharge with whatever the local energy company provides, which varies by region.
What’s more is that cars typically recharge at night, so energy from solar either needs to be stored or generated by some other mechanism, which is coal and gas in many parts of the country.
I’m not saying EVs are bad, I’m saying they’re a very expensive, partial solution, and that investment dollars could be better spent elsewhere.
My understanding is that EVs take a few years to reach parity with ICE cars, and how long that takes depends on your energy source. EVs take more resources to build, but they pay for themselves carbon-wise fairly quickly.
I’m not saying EVs are worse than ICE or hybrids, only that they’re expensive and don’t solve the problem as effectively as other options.
Sure, and again, I’m not talking about individuals here, I’m talking about government investment dollars. I think we’d do far better moving EV subsidies to infrastructure projects.
So for individuals: