So for some fucktastically stupid reason, the automod replies to removed messages provides a link that only returns a server error.

Secondly, the reply message does not even tell you the community it was posted in.

How the FUCK are we supposed to know what we did wrong if we can’t see it?

  • @A_Random_Idiot
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    39 months ago

    Its the end point for mods.

    Even ones that start out good.

    You can only do the job for so long before you become jaded, indifferent, mad with power, etc.

    Power corrupts and all that.

    • Otter
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      19 months ago

      I’d like to hope that it’s possible for some people to hold out and moderate effectively, such as by self reflection to make sure

      jaded, indifferent, mad with power, etc.

      isn’t happening. Then again, I didn’t moderate the massive subs on Reddit so maybe it gets harder with those.

      Having a mod code of conduct / best practices would help avoid some of these issues on Lemmy

      • @A_Random_Idiot
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        9 months ago

        Mod code of conduct only works when someone above the mods gives a fuck about enforcing it.

        and as we saw with reddit, the only time admins stepped in to deal with mods was…when subreddits were protesting reddits own bullshit.

        You could limit the damage by at least preventing people from amassing ridiculous amounts of power by becoming moderators on hundreds/thousands of subsites.

        • Otter
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          29 months ago

          Sure, but for the time being the admins on Lemmy are actively trying to set up something better than Reddit. Without the profit incentive, that might continue to happen

          I agree about the power mods problem

          • @A_Random_Idiot
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            09 months ago

            Still have admins and mods. Cant reinvent the wheel, all you’ll end up doing is creating a more convoluted and obtuse wheel.

            • @mods_are_assholesOP
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              09 months ago

              That function can be crowdsourced, you don’t need individuals to moderate effectively, you just need an engaged userbase with 10% responsible people.

              • @A_Random_Idiot
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                19 months ago

                Yeah… cause people do so well at running things. Just look at this beautiful utopia we live in.

                • @mods_are_assholesOP
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                  The reason why we are in a capitalistic death spiral is BECAUSE power is concentrated in the hands of a few sociopaths.

                  Crowdsourcing has shown net positives in nearly every study it is examined, including several interesting TED talks about altruistic human cooperation.

                  The thing is, the few psychopaths at the top think EVERYONE thinks like them, which is why they assume that without the fear of starvation that no one would ever do anything productive. Because THEY wouldn’t.

                  When the REAL truth is the vast majority of humanity is cooperative, creative, and generous, but those traits do not help when climbing power structures, which is why all the assholes seem to flow to the top.

                  If you trust people and have a large enough crowd, the good nearly always outweighs the bad, like that collaberative pong game where they gave everyone in the audience laser pointers to control two pong paddles.

                  Sure some jerkwads deliberately tried to work against the group, but they were very few and the game was played meaningfully and the crowd had fun, BECAUSE the cooperative collaboration impulse in the vast majority of people outweighs the destructive impulse.

                  Think of guys digging a hole on a beach, for no profit, for mostly no reason but they’ll get a HUGE ton of guys to help dig that hole. And sure there’s some yahoos there that will kick sand back in or try to collapse walls, but they are far outpaced by the eager and happy people just digging a hole for no reason because it is fun and who knows what might happen.

                  If we had direct democracy in all things, in all laws, and in complete legal reform, I think we could have a world a lot closer to utopia than capitalism can ever come.

      • @mods_are_assholesOP
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        Oh there are good mods but they are always forced out by the bad because admins can’t tell the difference and there are a fucktonne more bad than good.