• Flax
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    10 months ago

    If going by Christian theology, literally every atrocity in human history was caused by Satan. Even if fictional, there’s literally no redeeming qualities of Satan

    • @kofe
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      1810 months ago

      Interesting, so who created the fruit of knowledge? Who then decided that we would die and feel pain? Who flooded the earth? Who took up a bet to torture job? And that’s barely scraping the old testament

      Meanwhile, who offered food and water to a starving madman in the desert?

      • Flax
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        -1210 months ago

        We decided we’d die and feel pain. We deserved the flood, and it was literally satan who tortured Job. satan didn’t even offer Jesus food, he just told Him to turn the rocks into food with His own power.

        • @TheBeege
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          1210 months ago

          You missed a very, very important keyword there: “deserved.”

          Theologians miss a key point of rational debate where they don’t provide proper definitions and make big assumptions that aren’t great.

          Who defines what the “correct” effect of an action is? Who defines what consequence is deserved by a choice? If God is the almighty being, he decides what is right and wrong. In Abrahamic tradition, God defines all of these arbitrary rules and expects humanity to obey them without question. Shit, God ordered Abraham himself to murder despite that supposedly being against the rules.

          God is like a kid that holds a magnifying glass focused on an arbitrary point near the anthill. He set up the conditions for us to hurt ourselves according to his arbitrary rules. Why didn’t he tell Satan to fuck off with the fruit? Why did he allow Satan to exist in the first place? If God created everything, then he is responsible for everything by our human logic. So God can fuck right off

          • Flax
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            -410 months ago

            Would you rather have free will or be a mindless slave to God?

            • @GojuRyu
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              710 months ago

              So god cannot create a world with free will and without evil?

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                -110 months ago

                It won’t be true free will, in that case, would it?

                • @[email protected]
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                  So god isnt all powerful is he? If he is omnipotent js change how reality works so that it can be true free will as well no bad in the world if hes omnipotent it should be easy for him

                • @GojuRyu
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                  210 months ago

                  I thought it was common to believe that you had free will in paradise yet there be no evil. Which one is it you believe to be in paradise, free will or evil?

                  • @[email protected]
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                    I think the official story is that people will eventually decide against evil, out of their own free will. That is how both things are achieved.

        • @kofe
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          910 months ago

          Huh. I don’t recall being asked if I want to die

          • Flax
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            -610 months ago

            Do you want to follow Jesus who will give you eternal life?

              • Flax
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                -610 months ago

                They complained they were never asked, lol, so I asked them

                • @[email protected]
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                  810 months ago

                  Follow Jebus if you don’t want to die - is just extortion. Than again - old testament god was a bad boy himself, he would definitely approve, I mean he was really into murder.

            • @kofe
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              210 months ago

              Oh no I didn’t mean I haven’t been asked by mortals. Are you claiming to be God?

              • Flax
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                -110 months ago

                Why does the distinction matter? I can still help show you to freedom if you’d like.

                • @kofe
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                  210 months ago

                  I promise you don’t have evidence that would sway me.

    • @RageAgainstTheRich
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      1210 months ago

      “If going by Nazi ideology, literally every atrocity in human history was caused by jews or immigrants.”

      I think you have caught the stupid.

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        -610 months ago

        Difference is that Jews and Immigrants aren’t a character defined by Nazis. They existed before Nazism

          • Flax
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            110 months ago

            That would be a more accurate example.

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            010 months ago

            While Zoroastrianism existed before Christianity, it changed it’s beliefs overtime to follow suit. Such as their holy book, the Avesta, dating to around 500AD with the earliest copy being from the 1300s.