Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/9752393
Xinjiang’s top Communist Party official said on Thursday that the “Sinicisation” of Islam in the Muslim-majority region in northwestern China, where Beijing is accused of human rights abuses, is “inevitable”. “Everyone knows that Islam in Xinjiang needs to be Sinicised, this is an inevitable trend,” regional party chief Ma Xingrui told reporters at a largely scripted briefing on the sidelines of China’s annual parliamentary sessions in Beijing.
Rights groups accuse Beijing of widespread abuses of Uyghurs, a mainly Muslim ethnic minority that numbers around 10 million in Xinjiang, including denying Uyghurs full religious freedoms. Beijing vigorously denies any abuses.
Chinese President Xi Jinping has repeatedly called for the “Sinicisation” of religions including Islam, Buddhism and Christianity, urging followers to pledge loyalty to the Communist Party above all else. About two-thirds of mosques in Xinjiang have been damaged or destroyed since 2017, according to an Australian think-tank report.
During the news conference, Ma and other regional officials praised Xinjiang’s economic development, refuted U.S. allegations of forced labour and cultural genocide, and tried to paint the region as open to foreign tourism and investment.
Ma, a high-flying former governor of prosperous Guangdong province who was transferred to Xinjiang in 2021, stressed the need to “coordinate security and development”.
“The three forces are still active now, but we cannot be afraid (to open up) because they exist,” said Ma, using a political slogan referring to “ethnic separatism, religious extremism and violent terrorist forces” in Xinjiang.
Beijing in 2017 launched a harsh security crackdown in Xinjiang after a spate of violent ethnic protests, which saw over a million people from several Muslim minorities detained in re-education camps, rights groups allege.
We have carried out a severe crackdown on terrorist activities, promulgated and implemented anti-terrorism laws to … combat various forms of terrorism," senior Xinjiang parliamentarian Wang Mingshan said.
But the briefing was largely focused on Xinjiang’s economic development, tourism potential and what the officials described as cultural preservation.
Last year Xinjiang received 565.7 billion yuan ($78.5 billion) in central government transfers accounting for 72.7% of local government spending, as well as over 19 billion yuan ($2.6 billion) in fiscal aid from other provinces, the region’s chairman Erkin Tuniyaz said.
Ma was flanked by two Xinjiang officials sanctioned by the United States over human rights abuses in Xinjiang - Tuniyaz and former regional chairman Shohrat Zakir.
Officials claimed that over 4,390 foreigners visited Xinjiang in 2023, and that last year’s newly installed renewable energy capacity totalled 22.61 million kilowatts, bringing the total installed in the region to 64.4 million kilowatts - nearly half of Xinjiang’s electricity capacity.
Xinjiang is a major base for solar cell production, which has been tainted by allegations of forced labour.
I have no idea about the Falun Gong fellow. I haven’t heard claims of organ harvesting before. So I don’t care about Falun Gong. I’m talking about Vice here. Vice’s journalistic freedoms were being trampled upon by the CCP here.
As for Chinese journalists, no, they would not be restricted to film and report stuff in the US. Please provide videographic evidence if you disagree.
Edit: Also about the population of the Muslim countries - what about slavery? They don’t seem to be so much against that either.
Fuck it i know what im doing in this class anyway heres some more info
the Uyghur population has been steadily increasing and grew by more than 25% between 2010 and 2018 even though the total population of Xinjiang only rose by 13.99%. The Uyghur population is growing faster than Han Chinese (2%) or other ethnic minorities (22.14%).[source]
Chinese protections of Islam have been reputed to be contested by some citizens as suggesting preferential treatment, refuting the claim that the China’s policies are anti-Islam.[source]
China has roughly 54 other ethnic groups which have been relatively unscathed, including other Muslim-majority ethnic groups such as the Hui ethnic group, which is larger than the Uyghur population. In 2019, almost 1,000 diplomats and journalists from many countries as well as the UN, EU, Arab League, African Union, and Organisation of Islamic Cooperation visited Xinjiang and found no evidence of genocide. [source]
In response to the Trump administration Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s claims of genocide in Xinjiang, people from all walks of life in the region submitted at least 450 written responses and 345 videos condemning the comments as untrue and harmful. [source]
Adrian Zenz is a far-right racist connected to the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, which is controlled by the U.S. government. He claimed that Xinjiang is forcibly sterilizing Uyghur women with IUDs. In fact, only 328,475 of China’s total 3,774,318 IUDs were in Xinjiang.[source]
In September 2018, he said there were about 1,060,000 Uyghurs in re-education camps. This number is based on anonymous interviews with only eight people.[source]
In his initial report for the ~1M estimate, Radio Free Asia is cited four times, and the estimate is only mentioned on (pp. 21-2). Zenz finds this number by roughly extrapolating a “leaked” report by Newsweek Japan (affiliated with Newsweek Inc.).[source] This report came from “Istekral TV”, which frequently platforms the terrorist organization ETIM—the report was never confirmed.
On May 4, 2022, the BBC posted an article detailing what they termed the “Xinjiang Police Files”, a collection of documents and other resources which purportedly proved accusations of maltreatment against Uyghurs. The documents were allegedly provided by an anonymous source to Adrian Zenz, who then gave them to the BBC. The documents in fact showed many Uyghurs working at the centers and that the centers had some Han Chinese detainees. Many articles used images of guns as a scare tactic without noting that these were images of security drills and that the magazines were empty. The articles associated with the files whitewashed the crimes of genuine ETIM members who had been a party in bombings such as Yusup Ismayil (with text placed over an image of Yusup reading “many have been detained just for ordinary, outward signs of their Islamic faith or for visiting countries with majority Muslim populations”, with no citation for this claim). The Xinjiang Police Files “key documents” file metadata showed that Adrian Zenz and Ilshat Kobor (of the Uyghur American Association) had modified them, with metadata information being removed soon after release. The XPF website also posted demographic data, of which the number of male and female detainees added up to over the stated total in the same data.[source]
BBC claimed that Zamira Dawut was sterilized at a vocational center. Her brother, Abduhelil, said she had never been to a vocational center. Zamira said her father was arrested multiple times and then died of unknown causes. In reality, he was never arrested or even investigated and died of heart disease on 2019 October 12.[source]
On 2019 November 16, The New York Times reported on supposed leaked documents on Xinjiang. State media was quick to assert that these documents were not authentic, calling them “fabricated.”[source]
Grammatical errors indicated that the documents were fake and likely translated from English to Chinese, with users further noting that the “leaked” docs did not correspond to the formatting standards of Chinese government documents (GB/T9704).source
In 2018 December, diplomats from Afghanistan, India, Indonesia, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Malaysia, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Thailand, and Uzbekistan visited Xinjiang and had full access to vocational training centers. They found no evidence of forced labor or cultural or religious oppression.
On 2019 January 29, an EU delegation visited. On February 25, about 200 representatives of 50 political parties from almost 30 countries visited Ürümqi. On February 28, diplomats from Algeria, Burma, Greece, Hungary, Morocco, Vietnam, and the Arab League visited. China offered to let the EU visit again in March, but it declined. On March 27, the Albanian and Serbian ambassadors to China (Selim Belortaja and Milan Bačević) visited. On June 15, Under Secretary-General of the United Nations Counter-Terrorism Office Vladimir Voronkov visited Xinjiang. Between June 18 and 21, diplomats from Algeria, Burkina Faso, the DR Congo, Laos, Malaysia, Nigeria, Serbia, Somalia, Tajikistan, Togo, and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation visited. On August 19, diplomats from Bahrain, Cambodia, Laos, Nepal, Nigeria, the Philippines, and Sri Lanka visited. In September, diplomats from the African Union and 16 African countries, including Burundi, Djibouti, Lesotho, Sudan, Uganda, and Zimbabwe visited. In November, Fahri Hamzah, former Deputy Speaker of the Indonesian House of Representatives, visited Xinjiang. On November 11, the World Bank visited Xinjiang and found no abnormalities in the vocational centers.[source]
On 2019 January 6, Reuters visited Xinjiang. Starting on January 9, 12 media representatives from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Sri Lanka, and Turkey visited. Another media delegation from Egypt visited on January 29. On February 22, 11 journalists from Indonesia and Malaysia visited. On 2019 May 7, NPR released its report on a visit to a vocational center. On 2019 June 18, BBC visited a vocational center. Starting on July 14, journalists from 24 countries, including India, Iran, Italy, Japan, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Turkey, the USA, and Uzbekistan visited Xinjiang. On August 17, a media group from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, India, Japan, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, Qatar, Russia, Turkey, and the UAE visited. On August 29, ABC News visited a vocational center.[source]
On October 10, 2021, as Xinjiang was slowly opening for tourism, the Associated Press traveled to Xinjiang in order to investigate the measures taken by the government. They concluded that the genocidal policies had existed at some point but had been done away with before the opening measures, although the article still critiqued certain things they felt stifled Uyghur culture.[source]
A response was posted afterwards by The New Atlas which bemoaned several of the article’s pretensions.[source]
I really dont know anything about that vice thing but i think this should suffice yeah?
I understand why its easy to believe that china is committing genocide and i get why you might distrust china. You would be right to based on the information you are fed, no judgement i promise. Personally I trust the US and US based sources a lot less however
Bruv almost all your sources are from some “Qiao Collective”. If you read their about page, the very first line says, “Qiao Collective is a diaspora Chinese media collective challenging U.S. aggression on China.” We can definitely trust them to provide objectively correct information, right? /s
Your very first source is CGTN, the Chinese State News.
You (not you particularly, but tankies in general) flail around a lot about western propaganda but forget that others have their respective propaganda as well. Especially the Chinese. They have literally firewalled their entire goddamn country. You can link Chinese State propaganda freely, and I can access it without censorship. Can the Chinese do the same for western news? No, thanks to the great firewall.
Im well aware of where my sources come from lol, but you can check all of those claims made yourself if you so choose. These are reports on things that did happen and are proovable.
These were just the sources most readily available to me
Cool. The burden of proof is on you though. You made a claim, you gotta provide evidence to support your claim. Right now, you’re saying “but China doesn’t say that they’re committing genocide. So I guess they ain’t…”. How would you react if I used Israeli state sources to “prove” that there’s no genocide happening in Gaza?
It isnt though, the burden of proof is on those claiming that there is a genocide. You dont have to proove the negative.
Also I’m not say china says they aren’t comitting genocide I’m providing all the hard evidence china has provided to disprove the allegations. You wouldn’t accuse someone of a crimes and never look at any evidence they provide to the contrary.
Fair. I’m a little tired right now, but this article says exactly everything that I want/have to say.
This article is by the Communist Party of India (Marxist Leninist). So just for context, there are two communist parties in India (CPI and CPIM). The CPIM split from the CPI during the Sino-Soviet split. The CPIM was the pro China one. In my opinion, in the modern day, both of them are absolute chads.
I love this article because it does not approach the topic in a vacuum. It compares the Uighur genocide to what the Indian State has been doing in Kashmir since independence. The similarities are uncanny. Kashmir, Xinjiang, the Rohingyas, Kurdistan… the story of the oppressors here is the same throughout.
The falun gong thing is on me, i was confusing two seperate US funded chinese seperatist groups. The falun gong are the group behind the shen yun play if youre aware of that and they claim their organs are being harvested because they are “pure”. Strange group. I deleted that comment because it wasnt relevant but i guess it hasnt federated
Anyway you’re correct that a chinese journalist wouldnt be restricted to film and report because they likely wouldnt be let into the US. But if they were i have no doubt theyd be monitered by the CIA at every point of their visit.
Also muslim countries arent against slavery? Brother the US isnt against slavery. Why do you think its prison population is higher than the population of many entire countries?
As for videographic evidence, im in class rn and dont really have time to go looking, the original comment i made is something i copy paste because i got tired of writing it all out
Evidence please. I have no doubt that I am an alien as well.
Agreed. Fuck the US. But does the US being shitty justify others being shitty as well?
Ahh np. Take your time.
Wouldn’t hold my breath buddy.