• @FrowingFostek
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    -48 months ago

    Wait, you support a theocratic state?

    • @UnderpantsWeevil
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      128 months ago

      As a resident of Utah, I fucking better if I’m running for an elected office

      • @FrowingFostek
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        18 months ago

        Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution atleast allude to a separation of church and state?

        I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.

        • @[email protected]
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          88 months ago

          Except Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oklahoma, Kansas. But other than that what have the Romans ever done for us?

          • @FrowingFostek
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            28 months ago

            All highly religious states yet, none that are truly theocratic states. They all follow article 6 of the constitution and try their best to tailor their laws to subvert it. Ultimately the federation wins.

        • @UnderpantsWeevil
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          78 months ago

          Doesn’t article 6 of the constitution at least allude to a separation of church and state?

          Sure. But it doesn’t preclude candidates from announcing their religious affiliation and voters selecting them accordingly.

          I don’t think the rest of the federation would approve of a theocratic state.

          Not a Mormon theocratic state (which is one big reason why Romney underperformed Bush and Trump among Evangelicals). But there’s a sizable portion of the population that would like their flavor of religion as de facto law of the land. And quite a few who assert it already is, and its just a matter of an Executive/Judiciary action to make it a reality.

          • @chiliedogg
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            28 months ago

            Which I simply don’t understand.

            I’m religious, but if following the tenants of my faith were law, I would no longer be choosing to practice my faith.

            • @UnderpantsWeevil
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              28 months ago

              Idk, man. “Thou Shall Not Kill” is one of those religious tenants I wish we’d be more zealous about enforcing rather than less.

              The endless hair-pulling contradiction of religious-themed governments is in how the patriarchs and high priests seem to believe they are exempt from God’s Law because of their standing in the secular church. Whether you’re Ayatollah Khomeini or House Speaker Mike Johnson, your religiousity serves more as an excuse to do wicked things with God’s blessing than to do good things within God’s stricture.

              • @chiliedogg
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                28 months ago

                Yeah, but at the same time there are religious principles that shouldn’t be law.

                If someone feels closer to God because they don’t have sex before marriage or because they don’t eat pork then that’s great. Self-sacrifice can be very spiritually rewarding for some.

                But making that sacrifice mandatory is not only senseless, but robs them of the spiritual fulfillment. Choosing to make a sacrifice is only rewarding when you have the option not to.

                • @UnderpantsWeevil
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                  8 months ago

                  Yeah, but at the same time there are religious principles that shouldn’t be law.

                  You don’t need the caveat “religious” for that, either. Certainly the century’s worth of Prohibition hasn’t done anyone any favors, despite that being a largely secular moratorium.

                  But making that sacrifice mandatory is not only senseless, but robs them of the spiritual fulfillment.

                  A lot of the original prohibitions on food and clothing were as much about hygiene and health safety as spirituality. Shellfish spoil incredibly quickly, for instance. Mixed material fabrics fuck with people who have skin allergies. Its not just a question of sacrifice, but a primitive approach to regulatory governance.

                  If Leviticus was being written today, there would almost certainly be a line about everyone needing to get vaccinated.

                  • @chiliedogg
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                    28 months ago

                    For Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy that’s literally what it was. And that’s why many people don’t really care about cotton/polyester blends from a spiritual standpoint today.

                    But the idea is that there are sacrifices people make as an observance of faith. Right now during Lent millions of people have chosen to give up something as a religious ritual.

                    If the government banned the sale of caffeine during Lent, then my choosing to go without it for a month wouldn’t have any impact because that choice had been made for me.

        • Colonel Panic
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          18 months ago

          Hate to break it to you, but one of the two major political parties in this country is.

        • @shimdidly
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          18 months ago

          The US (and western civilization) has been a theocratic state for a long time, it simply hides in plain sight as scientism or materialism.