Many people are hesitant to identify as atheists because of the social stigma they may face, making it hard to pinpoint connections and differences among this group.
Cause preachers can talk about Jihads against atheists on talk shows, but somebody says god isn’t real and everything they are connected to gets examined for not complying with the first amendment.
Yup. Even ‘tolerant’ religions go batshit when they encounter unbelievers. It’s like you can root for any team, but if you decline the entire sportsball thing, YOU GOTTA FUCKIN DIE
It’s more like “you and everything you stand for is unbound by morality, and you pose a threat to my entire worldview through your thoughts and ideas alone.”
True lol, talking to my Christian friends about hell is wild. The worst people imaginable can go to eternal paradise if they believe in God, but queer agnostic atheists like me get eternal torture for thought crimes.
And they’ll openly admit that they don’t think I deserve hell, but they still call it just and moral if I get sent there. Which is incredible, because it seems like they feel like it’s wrong, yet won’t call it wrong because the morals created by the men who came before them are objectively right and can’t be questioned.
The other baffling thing is that they’ll say owning slaves is wrong now because those parts of the Bible are outdated, yet still say it’s just to torture homosexuals for eternity and cite those same “outdated” books of the Bible.
their morality is hilarious - and that they view it as intrinsic to their religion and would go murderhappy without it’s constraints, or if the right imaginary friend told them to - illustrates my fear that out atheists in many places are at risk.
A few examples:
christian fascists insist we’ll have freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion. even though the supreme court has long held “no religion” is a religion.
Haha. You joke but that is theist belief in a nutshell. Rather believe in anything to save one’s soul in the afterlife than nothing at all and not to go to heaven or some paradise.
Circling back to this - a thought occurred to me: if you buy into the grift on any side, you’re much more likely to convert to the ‘correct’ religion - whatever that is lol
Cause preachers can talk about Jihads against atheists on talk shows, but somebody says god isn’t real and everything they are connected to gets examined for not complying with the first amendment.
Yup. Even ‘tolerant’ religions go batshit when they encounter unbelievers. It’s like you can root for any team, but if you decline the entire sportsball thing, YOU GOTTA FUCKIN DIE
Bit hyperbolic (for most people lol)
It’s more like “you and everything you stand for is unbound by morality, and you pose a threat to my entire worldview through your thoughts and ideas alone.”
Yeah we should use something more politically correct like “you will burn in hell for eternity”
True lol, talking to my Christian friends about hell is wild. The worst people imaginable can go to eternal paradise if they believe in God, but queer agnostic atheists like me get eternal torture for thought crimes.
And they’ll openly admit that they don’t think I deserve hell, but they still call it just and moral if I get sent there. Which is incredible, because it seems like they feel like it’s wrong, yet won’t call it wrong because the morals created by the men who came before them are objectively right and can’t be questioned.
The other baffling thing is that they’ll say owning slaves is wrong now because those parts of the Bible are outdated, yet still say it’s just to torture homosexuals for eternity and cite those same “outdated” books of the Bible.
/rant
You ever ask them why do they think a God with those values is one worth worshipping?
Nope, but I’m pretty sure they’d say something like “we’re not omniscient, we can’t understand God’s will”
To which I’d probably say it’s funny how “God’s will” looks a hell of a lot like what we’d expect to see if God didn’t exist
their morality is hilarious - and that they view it as intrinsic to their religion and would go murderhappy without it’s constraints, or if the right imaginary friend told them to - illustrates my fear that out atheists in many places are at risk.
A few examples:
christian fascists insist we’ll have freedom of religion, but not freedom from religion. even though the supreme court has long held “no religion” is a religion.
In Islam, if you’re a jew or christian, you can pay a fee and practice your faith. Think they extend that to atheism?
Indonesia for example:
https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2012-02-09/indonesia-atheist-to-be-charged-with-blasphemy/
https://www.atheismandthecity.com/2013/12/dont-cry-for-me-indonesia.html
But hardly limited there -
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2019/11/saudi-arabia-categorizing-feminism-atheism-homosexuality-as-crimes-exposes-the-kingdoms-dangerous-intolerance/#:~:text=Atheism is illegal and is,from for it’s legal framework.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-where-atheists-receive-death-penalty.html
In my experience, theists would just want an individual to believe in anything instead of nothing.
“It’s ok, you don’t have to worry, I’ve been saved, First Pentagram Church of Manson, HELTER SKELTER BE HIS NAME!”
“Hallelujah!”
Haha. You joke but that is theist belief in a nutshell. Rather believe in anything to save one’s soul in the afterlife than nothing at all and not to go to heaven or some paradise.
Circling back to this - a thought occurred to me: if you buy into the grift on any side, you’re much more likely to convert to the ‘correct’ religion - whatever that is lol