• @[email protected]
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    68 months ago

    I wonder if it has anything to do with all of the “bad atheism” that’s populating the internet.

    By this, I mean to say that actual TRUE atheism isn’t about hating Christians, but if you look here, and on Reddit- any community involving atheism is nothing but anti-Christian rhetoric. Not other religion- just Christianity. AND A LOT of hate.

    Actual atheists don’t define their ideology based on who they hate. It’s simply just not believing in religious idolatry. Nothing more and nothing less.

    So if you find yourself hating on someone simply because they believe differently than you do. Maybe ask yourself if any of that seems familiar to you at all. And then back away from the nonsense. Because maybe It’s you that’s making it difficult for the ideology of atheism to be taken seriously.

    • GladiusB
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      I think the atheism you are referring to is teenaged angst filled atheism. They are lashing out at their oppression. They can come out of their shell later into a more refined version of atheism.

      • @[email protected]
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        Fair point, but it’s not atheism, and shouldn’t be associated with it. It’s more like just teenaged angst that assumes the title for the purpose of appearing edgy.

        Atheism has a bad enough rap on its own. It really doesn’t need people making it out to be something that it’s not. Especially something hateful.

        • I Cast Fist
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          108 months ago

          You also have to keep in mind that most people, even atheists, only know the religion of their upbringing. Talking shit about something that you didn’t “grow in” is usually more difficult, as it requires a minimum research (or “research”)

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            Atheism isn’t about talking shit. That’s my point. If all you do is talk shit, you’re not an atheist. You’re just a hater that doesn’t believe in Christianity.

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              78 months ago

              That’s my point. If all you do is talk shit, you’re not an atheist

              Do you believe in a god? No? Then you’re an atheist.

              Simple

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                -78 months ago

                Do you single out one religion to hate just because it’s edgy and cool?

                You’re not an atheist, you’re just an asshole.

                Simple.

                • @[email protected]
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                  88 months ago

                  Again, lack of belief in a deity is he only requirement for being an atheist

                  If you don’t like that people bang on about Christianity because they live in the part of the world where that’s the dominant oppressor: deal with it, nobody cares that you don’t like it :)

                  • @[email protected]
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                    -48 months ago

                    I care. So there goes your nobody argument. Care to offer up any more inaccurate blanket statements?

                    The fact is- edgy wannabe atheists are giving the ideology a bad name. I’m not going to argue this with you. Deal with it, I don’t. Are that you don’t like it.

                    (See how that works?)

            • @michaelmrose
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              If I invite you to try a butt plug and you decide you don’t that sort of thing I shall not insist you try a range of sizes and shapes and shall instead accept your assertion that you don’t like the category of thing on your word as you are the foremost authority on you. If someone tells you they don’t believe that the universe has a sentient first cause available for consultation or prayer I shall accept their word that they are in fact an atheist.

              • @[email protected]
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                18 months ago

                Okay, let’s use your little example.

                You many not insist I try a range of sizes and shapes, but you’ll call me names, suggest to everyone that I’m the reason everything is shit- and chastise anyone that agrees with anything I say simply because I don’t agree with your suggestion.

                In the end, you’re still just as bad as those you hate.

                (Pun intended)

                • @michaelmrose
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                  I don’t think people who are theists are BAD in the first place for being theists I think they are wrong and likely unintelligent but I don’t think they are bad for having beliefs. I think they are bad when they try to impose their beliefs founded on nothing on others.

    • @Cosmicomical
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      1. please stop gatekeeping atheism
      2. hating christianity is perfectly ok
      3. there is no wrong way of being atheist, being any type of atheist is more sensible than following any mainstream religion, more so in 2024 and given the uprising of christofascism
      4. should i continue?
      5. the mainstream hate directed towards atheists is just a manifestation of the relentless brainwashing performed on the population by religious power groups, which are unfortunately pervasive in every society
      6. atheists can say they are atheists as much as they want, if you don’t like to hear them cover you ears
      • @[email protected]
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        -68 months ago
        1. It’s only gatekeeping because you disagree with it.
        2. Hating is not okay. But sometimes it happens. Something happening is not the equivalent to ok.
        3. There absolutely IS a wrong way to do most everthing.
        4. No
        5. Thanks for proving my point.
        6. You’re basically a Christian that doesn’t believe in god.
        • @[email protected]
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          68 months ago

          Not to say I agree with everything the person you’re responding to is saying, but it’s gatekeeping because you keep repeating “actual atheists.” You’re commiting a No True Scotsman fallacy by saying in order to be a true atheist, you need to act a certain way.

          • @Cosmicomical
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            I also posit this is a common method used to undermine the atheist position and is probably done intentionally here as well

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            Just because someone Is right, doesn’t mean they’re gatekeeping.

            Being a blowhard edgy hateful troll towards Christians does not make someone an atheist. It’s the ideology that does.

            And an atheist’s ideology isn’t defined by who they hate.

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          You can keep using empty words as much as you want, your anti-atheist stance is very transparent. To clarify, I support any atheist regardless of what they do or how they do it. Most atheists have better morals than religious zealots like you, and even if they didn’t there is nothing they could do to top all the evil atrocities Christianity has done in millennia and is still doing. If you believe in a god or in fairies that’s your right, but when you start lobbying to get legislation passed to satisfy your delusions we have a problem.

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      English language forums especially US centric forums are populated by people who overwhelming deal with bad behavior by Christians whereas others are small minorities which keep to themselves

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        So you’re saying that every angsty teenager that complains about Christianity has had some bad experience?

        And that it’s predominantly US based?

        Can you show the sources that support this please?

        • @[email protected]
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          18 months ago

          The US is the largest english speaking country.

          What the fuck are you asking about sources? Lmao.

          • @[email protected]
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            08 months ago

            They said:

            English language forums especially US centric forums are populated by people who overwhelming deal with bad behavior by Christians

            You realize that what they’re saying is that Christianity is predominantly English, right?

            Read up:

            See, this is what I’m talking about. It’s seems most of the edgy teenaged atheists have no idea what they’re talking about and make up shit that they think will eel in them argument points.

            Also, in “dealing with bad behavior” one usually doesn’t make blanket hatred their chosen way to deal with it. Unless of course, you’re an edgy teenager trying to look cool.

            I stand by my statement:

            Real anthems isn’t about hatred.

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              18 months ago

              You realize that what they’re saying is that Christianity is predominantly English, right?

              I don’t know why you assume that?

              It sounds like they are saying that English-speaking forum participants primarily come from areas with predominately or historically christian belief.

              There’s a lot of ESL, but that’s still probably true.

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                  Dammit jim.

                  Lmao. Jim if you don’t believe in any god you’re in good company, I’m right there with you.

                  But that means all that’s left is human. We can be more charitable to each other than any god ever was .

                  And it’s OK to admit you made a reading error.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    18 months ago

                    No reading error here. Just trying to keep within the wheelhouse of the discussion. I’m well aware of when people are trying to pull the topic elsewhere to dilute the waters.

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                08 months ago

                Thank you for having excellent reading comprehension.

                • @[email protected]
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                  Hey, look at that! Someone else noticed your goalpost relocation!

                  It’s not about what language is used- kiddo, it’s about what is spoken using the language. My point it that atheism isn’t about hatred. You’re using language as a means to derail the discussion into something that makes it look like you’re winning it.

                  You’re not.

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              I didn’t say that Christians only existed in the US. I said that the behavior you are complaining about is a direct symptom of participating in English language forums dominated by US users who are expressing their experience with the dominant religion in their area that does most of the “outreach” to try to convince atheists that their imaginary friend will torture them for eternity if you don’t believe in them.

        • @michaelmrose
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          You are angry that atheists are very expressive of their disdain for Christianity. Most people you as an english speaker interact with on most online spaces are liable to be chock full of Americans whose primary negative view of religions are formed by interactions with Christians both because Christians are very vocal and very negative. Do you actually need a citation for the English using web being heavily biased towards the 338,000,000 Americans? If you find your way to the appropriate forums you could find angsty teens complaining about Hinduism or Islam.

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      I see a fuck ton of ex-muslims on athiest forums which shit talk islam depending on the day even moreso than christianity, idk what you’re talking about with this “only christianity” stuff lol

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        08 months ago

        I think we have different definitions of “fuck ton” because I guarantee you I’m on the same forums and I see one in every few hundred that might even mention Muslims.

        But don’t let this get in the way of your exaggeration.