Gen X (not boomers) with good intentions of being better parents screwed up the message.
Instead of treating folks with respect and raising them as a young adult, an unrealistic vision of the future where everyone can do anything if you put your mind to it was something people believed. Participation trophies set absurd expectations about how the world works.
Gen x’ers weren’t born in the 80s. The older ones were born in the 60s and starting to have kids in the 80s. I’ll absolutely agree there is going to be some overlap but this is mostly a gen x response to being beaten and shit on by boomers.
I’m not sure what you’re asking. The gen x’ers were the group bringing this trend in mass to the younger millennials in the context of children’s sports.
By and large most millennials were children of boomers. Even a boomer born in '46 would only be 19 and average at first birth hovered around 24 for their generation. Most kids born from 1980-1991 which covers 75% of the years millennials were born had boomer parents. Math isn’t on your side and you keep saying Gen Xers did it, but what proof do you have?
Bullshit. Participation trophies are good for kids.
Encouraging children to win promotes the idea that you have to measure success in relation to other people. Competition can be fun, but when winning becomes the only goal, kids stop trying new things and focus on the things they are “good at.”
Boomers would be better people, and we would share a better world if their parents had given out some participation trophies.
Imagine attacking veterans while Kissinger and Nixon fuck around at the top. I guess that’s the edgy progressive version at punching down at some PTSD dude waiting in line at the VA. 👏👏👏 Bravo.
I never got a participation trophy, but I did once get a 4th-place trophy. I threw it away, because it reminded me of failure. Kids aren’t as dumb as you think they are. Many of them probably feel neutral or negative about participation/failure trophies as well.
Jason Feifer: In short, they are both successful, and they pursued paths that were very much their own despite having both received participation trophies. The world is unpredictable, it is impossible for us to know how one thing impacts another. But we, and here I speak generally, as in all of us, the royal we don’t like unpredictability. It makes us uncomfortable, not knowing what will happen next, or how to control our lives, or how to shape our kids lives. And so we often reject the premise entirely.
Jason Feifer: We say “No, no, no, no, no, the world is very predictable. A leads directly to B, which leads directly to C. I can point at this one thing over here and know exactly how it will impact that one thing over there.” And this, I think, is how we end up with debates like participation trophies. Because if the world is totally understandable than fixing it is easy. And oh, how appealing that is, how comfortable and rewarding that is. We can identify bad things and then backtrack to their origins and then eliminate those bad seeds. Simple as that. And isn’t that what Jeff Walz wants us to do?
Jeff Walz: What’s that teaching kids? It’s okay to lose. And unfortunately, it’s our society. It’s what we’re building for. And it’s not just in basketball, it’s in life.
Jason Feifer: But what if that’s not true? I mean, actually, let me rephrase that. It isn’t true. I am flat out telling you it isn’t true. The real truth is to paraphrase Walt Whitman, “We contain multitudes.” External things influence us but we also influence external things. One person’s insulting participation trophy is another person’s satisfying reward. In the case of Tori and Hilary, I would argue that we’re hearing the stories of two very different women who grew up, learned about themselves and then their self understandings shaped how they felt about the trophy. The participation trophy didn’t singularly shape them. A world of things shaped them and they also shaped themselves and that is the reality of life and then a little tiny part of that was reflected off the participation trophy’s, tiny, shiny surface.
Jason Feifer: What is the true lesson of the participation trophy? It is this: winning happens in many ways, and it always has and it always will. And if you think that a stupid, little trophy has anything to do with any of this, well, then I guess I will give you a participation trophy for trying, but it doesn’t mean much.
Meh boomers got that right.
Gen X (not boomers) with good intentions of being better parents screwed up the message.
Instead of treating folks with respect and raising them as a young adult, an unrealistic vision of the future where everyone can do anything if you put your mind to it was something people believed. Participation trophies set absurd expectations about how the world works.
Format is topkek though.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participation_trophy#:~:text=One of the earliest known,a high school basketball tournament.
Participation trophies started in the mid 80 and got big in the 90s. Boomer parents.
The kids know the participation trophy means you lost. The stupid trophies were for the parents.
Gen x’ers weren’t born in the 80s. The older ones were born in the 60s and starting to have kids in the 80s. I’ll absolutely agree there is going to be some overlap but this is mostly a gen x response to being beaten and shit on by boomers.
Quick question, who gave them the trophies?
I’m not sure what you’re asking. The gen x’ers were the group bringing this trend in mass to the younger millennials in the context of children’s sports.
By and large most millennials were children of boomers. Even a boomer born in '46 would only be 19 and average at first birth hovered around 24 for their generation. Most kids born from 1980-1991 which covers 75% of the years millennials were born had boomer parents. Math isn’t on your side and you keep saying Gen Xers did it, but what proof do you have?
Bullshit. Participation trophies are good for kids.
Encouraging children to win promotes the idea that you have to measure success in relation to other people. Competition can be fun, but when winning becomes the only goal, kids stop trying new things and focus on the things they are “good at.”
Boomers would be better people, and we would share a better world if their parents had given out some participation trophies.
Plenty of Boomers got participation trophies when they were young
Imagine attacking veterans while Kissinger and Nixon fuck around at the top. I guess that’s the edgy progressive version at punching down at some PTSD dude waiting in line at the VA. 👏👏👏 Bravo.
Millennial here.
I never got a participation trophy, but I did once get a 4th-place trophy. I threw it away, because it reminded me of failure. Kids aren’t as dumb as you think they are. Many of them probably feel neutral or negative about participation/failure trophies as well.
https://www.jasonfeifer.com/episode/everyone-is-wrong-about-participation-trophies/