The USA under Trump tried to depose the Venezuelan leader only 5 years ago or so. Speaking of Trump, a large portion of the USA is currently striving to elect someone who tried to overthrow democracy in their own nation. Electoral scrutiny is all well and good, but is the USA really the right arbitrator given their domestic election problems and history of interfering in Central/South America? What do Venezuelans think about US involvement?
Imran Khan was coup’d in 2022 for his independent foreign policies and replaced with a pro-US puppet (who sent weapons to Ukraine and bombed Iran), despite Imran being highly popular in Pakistan.
He won this year’s election from jail despite the whole election being completely filled with vote-rigging. It’s not quite clear where things are gonna go from here.
I asked for a source or evidence. You provided a statement made by Imran Khan himself. A statement by a politician claiming that the US backed a coup in Pakistan is not evidence.
Edit: Why are people downvoting? Do you guys take politicians’ statements as fact now? What is your bar for evidence?
It’s pretty much been confirmed because Imran Khan released parts of the message that match the version the intercept received much later, of which I already pointed out he was charged with breaking the state secrets law.
Lu was very set on wanting Imran Khan gone via the NCV. This cable wasn’t meant to negotiate anything with Imran Khan or even tell him to rectify his stance on Ukraine. He said clearly that ties with Washington deteriorated and would only be restored if IK was removed.
More importantly, the cable was directed towards the Pakistan army who has the ultimate power in Pakistan (and incidentally has been bribed several times before). They did as they were asked and helped the NCV succeed by helping the opposition bribe and coerce party members to swap sides overnight. Then, they swiftly arrested IK, banned PTI as a political party, tortured and killed their party members, assassinated some journalists, shutdown the internet, banned Twitter, and called it a day.
It’s nothing new for the USA or even Pakistan, it’s just that this was probably the first grassroots populist party in Pakistan to ever get a chance at running the country and it lasted all but 5 seconds because that invovled the idea of foreign sovereignty which is something the USA doesn’t like.
They can and will use whatever means necessary to keep their leverage in the global geopolitical scene.
I read the content of the transcript. A lot of leaps are being made from one diplomat’s statements. Lu simply said they don’t want to cooperate with a leader that is rubbing shoulders with Putin and it’s perfectly reasonable considering a) Pakistan is the recipient of US foreign aid b) Putin is doing his best to annex every territory around Russia that he can before anyone stops him. Whatever Pakistan did to oust him needs further proof that it is directly caused by US interference. I haven’t seen that yet.
Edit: you know what guys; this one politicians claims and a random cable is all we need. No further proof needed. American imperialism genocide colonialism western hegemony – did I get all the poli-sci 101 buzzwords in yet or did I leave any out? Someone needs to create an ‘america bad’ phrase generator already. That is the sum of discourse on Lemmy after all.
The USA under Trump tried to depose the Venezuelan leader only 5 years ago or so. Speaking of Trump, a large portion of the USA is currently striving to elect someone who tried to overthrow democracy in their own nation. Electoral scrutiny is all well and good, but is the USA really the right arbitrator given their domestic election problems and history of interfering in Central/South America? What do Venezuelans think about US involvement?
Biden successfully deposed of Pakistan’s elected leader lol.
Source?
Imran Khan was coup’d in 2022 for his independent foreign policies and replaced with a pro-US puppet (who sent weapons to Ukraine and bombed Iran), despite Imran being highly popular in Pakistan.
He won this year’s election from jail despite the whole election being completely filled with vote-rigging. It’s not quite clear where things are gonna go from here.
I asked for a source or evidence. You provided a statement made by Imran Khan himself. A statement by a politician claiming that the US backed a coup in Pakistan is not evidence.
Edit: Why are people downvoting? Do you guys take politicians’ statements as fact now? What is your bar for evidence?
Leaked cable:
https://theintercept.com/2023/08/09/imran-khan-pakistan-cypher-ukraine-russia/
IK being charged by attempting to disclose the secret cable:
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/ex-pm-imran-khans-leak-secret-cable-hurt-pakistan-court-ruling-2024-02-01/
Wow. So i read the full transcript. A few points.
We don’t know where this document originated and the intercept has not authenticated it (they at least claim as much)
Nothing Lu said is out of line. Which part do you take umbrage with? Khan is definitely putting his spin on this.
It’s pretty much been confirmed because Imran Khan released parts of the message that match the version the intercept received much later, of which I already pointed out he was charged with breaking the state secrets law.
Lu was very set on wanting Imran Khan gone via the NCV. This cable wasn’t meant to negotiate anything with Imran Khan or even tell him to rectify his stance on Ukraine. He said clearly that ties with Washington deteriorated and would only be restored if IK was removed.
More importantly, the cable was directed towards the Pakistan army who has the ultimate power in Pakistan (and incidentally has been bribed several times before). They did as they were asked and helped the NCV succeed by helping the opposition bribe and coerce party members to swap sides overnight. Then, they swiftly arrested IK, banned PTI as a political party, tortured and killed their party members, assassinated some journalists, shutdown the internet, banned Twitter, and called it a day.
It’s nothing new for the USA or even Pakistan, it’s just that this was probably the first grassroots populist party in Pakistan to ever get a chance at running the country and it lasted all but 5 seconds because that invovled the idea of foreign sovereignty which is something the USA doesn’t like.
They can and will use whatever means necessary to keep their leverage in the global geopolitical scene.
I read the content of the transcript. A lot of leaps are being made from one diplomat’s statements. Lu simply said they don’t want to cooperate with a leader that is rubbing shoulders with Putin and it’s perfectly reasonable considering a) Pakistan is the recipient of US foreign aid b) Putin is doing his best to annex every territory around Russia that he can before anyone stops him. Whatever Pakistan did to oust him needs further proof that it is directly caused by US interference. I haven’t seen that yet.
Edit: you know what guys; this one politicians claims and a random cable is all we need. No further proof needed. American imperialism genocide colonialism western hegemony – did I get all the poli-sci 101 buzzwords in yet or did I leave any out? Someone needs to create an ‘america bad’ phrase generator already. That is the sum of discourse on Lemmy after all.
The downvotes are because of your petulant whining.
Asking for evidence is “whining”. Gotcha.
No, no, the whining is the whining.
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Then Russia interferes with US election. It’s election interference all the way down.
Except it stops at countries like Russia where the complete election is fake.
Unlike our glorious US empire where the elections are definitely totally legit (don’t ask why Trump won despite getting less votes)
No liberal “democracies” are democratic in the first place on account of being capitalist dictatorships
Remember when gore won the election and then Bush became president? Or when Hilary got more votes and then trump became president?