Cross-posted from: https://feddit.de/post/10013170
The war in Ukraine is “existential for our Europe and for France”, Mr Macron said in the interview on France 2 and TF1.
“Do you think that the Poles, the Lithuanians, the Estonians, the Romanians and the Bulgarians could remain at peace for a second [in the event of a Russian victory in Ukraine]?” he asked. “If Russia wins this war, Europe’s credibility would be reduced to zero.”
And fortunately none of those cities are occupied yet.
They’re still being killed there. Sure not occupied yet, but you said it’s the one reasonable thing to do.
And peace would put an end to that.
I don’t get the idea of doggedly pursuing liberation of the Crimea, etc. when it isn’t realistic and people are losing their lives.
It’s better to have an okay-ish peace now and reorganise the country than to face total collapse if shortages continue.
Perfection is the enemy of the good.
Dude I’m talking about ceceding kharkiv and Odessa to Russia which is what you are saying is a reasonable solution
Have you ever considered that Ukraine is just an investment for the West? They’d rather have Ukrainians dying than their own soldiers. They don’t actually think Ukraine can win, only weaken Russia.
This is what all Western military strategists are saying.
Considering the crippling wheat and other exports Ukraine provides for the west, yeah, there’s a lot of reasons to invest into Ukrainian victory and survival. I’m not niave to believe the US cares about Ukrainian lives.
They could hold the current borders for peace. That is the most likely outcome.
Tell ya what, rent hasn’t been cheap. How about I come to your house and set a few things on fire and camp out in your living room and refuse to leave. I won’t hurt you if you don’t enter the living room, but I’ve claimed the whole room to myself. And you have no way of knowing if I’ll decide to take the kitchen next despite saying I won’t. Would you accept this? Because this is what you’re saying Ukraine should let Russia do to them.
The only peace that can be achieved here is for Russia to be defeated and driven out of Ukraine entirely. Otherwise, all you are doing is enabling Russia to regroup, rearm and attack again for more territory.
Very well put.
I recently read an article that states that maybe Putin kinda outwitted himself in the way that now even if peace could become a possibility this option will not be supported inside of the country because of how government positions are now appointed on the basis of being a war mongrel. Anyway, shit’s real bad and I’m glad I don’t make decisions for any side
I don’t support Russia, but you need to be realistic.
Who is going to be driving them out of Ukraine? Biden has refused to send the US military, and Congress refuses to send weapons.
Ukraine will, with support from other countries, as they are now. We need more support for Ukraine, who has already done an excellent job stopping Russia’s progress. Ukraine can only get stronger with more support. Biden can’t send the US military because that turns into a full blown conflict between Russia and America, which would be worse for everybody.
Also it’s an election year. Biden isn’t refusing to send support. Congress is.
Biden could put boots on the ground tomorrow if he wanted to. The Commander-in-Chief has full control of military operations.