I will never understand why any gay person would ever be transphobic.
Like…??? You do understand that people have used many of the exact same arguments against trans rights as they’ve done to suppress gay rights too… right?
Same way so many gay people are racist too or that you have so many classist or ableist gays. People just often don’t care about what doesn’t affect them. Hypocrisy is common as hell in humanity. We’re all guilty of it to some extent, usually though it’s very minor and in the background. But whether it’s big or small people often ignore their own hypocrisies. This shit is just blatant in the gay community. I think they do have the self-awareness of realizing the same arguments are used against them. They just don’t care.
Not to justify any of it, but this is very much the thoughts of past generations. We complain about these ideals but this has always been the prevailing thought until very recently.
I’m not saying there’s zero examples of communities bridging, it was a long way to get where we are. But I’d say it’s only in the last 10, maybe even 5 years that I’ve seen communities begin to finally work together on collective equalities.
To everyone that does not understand this fully, myself included, the main point I’ve been told is that each groups struggle was entirely separate. When you’re a minority, you’re not about to take up the baggage and arguments used against other groups. And then you turn on other minority groups to divert attention or because again, their struggle isn’t your problem.
None of this is right or helpful. I say this only because many of our groups are gaining in privileges compared to others. This IS THE TIME to elevate everyone instead of running away with it and diminishing others.
Yeah, it can be easy to forget how much public opinion has changed for the better within the last couple of decades because of how bleak everything feels right now. It’s probably important to remember that.
I say this only because many of our groups are gaining in privileges compared to others. This IS THE TIME to elevate everyone instead of running away with it and diminishing others.
Absolutely. Too many people ignore the fact that the systemic struggles of all oppressed groups are tied to everyone else’s, if only because they’re all perpetuated by the same systems and mindsets.
They’re focusing their attention on the wrong people and things, but I guess feeling superior to others makes them feel better about their own struggles and privileges.
(Also… love your PFP! I adored the Sly games as a kid!!!)
Oh no, for some of them it’s totally different. Also there is a lot of homophobia inside the homosexual circles. Couldn’t believe it myself, but sometimes if you don’t look or act like the cliche or like common homosexual stuff like music or movies, you’re an imposter and not really gay.
Saw it happen myself at a lesbian party. Two girls just looking female were bullied cause it’s “not lesbian” for a couple to be both female looking, that’s just two best friends being confused. “It’s just a phase” is a thing I heard quite a lot that evening.
Never knew you signed up for a membership with rules and stuff when you’re “entering” the LG area. Just thought if you only like women as a woman you’re lesbian and same for men only liking men, but it seems that’s not the case.
Yeah… ugh. I know there’s a lot of biphobia (and, as OP mentioned, racism/ableism/classism) in the community, too, which is equally fucking absurd. I guess being queer doesn’t necessarily mean you’re any less of an ignorant asshole.
Transphobic gay men are sadly common. I think some of them think that getting rid of us will make it easier for them to be accepted.
There’s a lot of gross and uncomfortable discourse about the way cis gay men treat trans gay men as well. My boyfriend and I were talking about some nasty shit that went down on Survivor…
Similar counterarguments makes for a strawman fallacy. An argument for one case can have different results than for another because it is something different.
I will never understand why any gay person would ever be transphobic.
Like…??? You do understand that people have used many of the exact same arguments against trans rights as they’ve done to suppress gay rights too… right?
Same way so many gay people are racist too or that you have so many classist or ableist gays. People just often don’t care about what doesn’t affect them. Hypocrisy is common as hell in humanity. We’re all guilty of it to some extent, usually though it’s very minor and in the background. But whether it’s big or small people often ignore their own hypocrisies. This shit is just blatant in the gay community. I think they do have the self-awareness of realizing the same arguments are used against them. They just don’t care.
Not to justify any of it, but this is very much the thoughts of past generations. We complain about these ideals but this has always been the prevailing thought until very recently.
I’m not saying there’s zero examples of communities bridging, it was a long way to get where we are. But I’d say it’s only in the last 10, maybe even 5 years that I’ve seen communities begin to finally work together on collective equalities.
To everyone that does not understand this fully, myself included, the main point I’ve been told is that each groups struggle was entirely separate. When you’re a minority, you’re not about to take up the baggage and arguments used against other groups. And then you turn on other minority groups to divert attention or because again, their struggle isn’t your problem.
None of this is right or helpful. I say this only because many of our groups are gaining in privileges compared to others. This IS THE TIME to elevate everyone instead of running away with it and diminishing others.
Yeah, it can be easy to forget how much public opinion has changed for the better within the last couple of decades because of how bleak everything feels right now. It’s probably important to remember that.
Absolutely. Too many people ignore the fact that the systemic struggles of all oppressed groups are tied to everyone else’s, if only because they’re all perpetuated by the same systems and mindsets.
They’re focusing their attention on the wrong people and things, but I guess feeling superior to others makes them feel better about their own struggles and privileges.
(Also… love your PFP! I adored the Sly games as a kid!!!)
Bisexual bias from an ex boyfriend of mine. Believed I would leave him for a girl constantly.
Same idea.
Guy was tranphobic too because it finally gave him a chance to be a bully instead of the bullied.
Fucking sociopaths
I hope you left him for a girl. Not because that makes him right but because fuck him.
Oh no, for some of them it’s totally different. Also there is a lot of homophobia inside the homosexual circles. Couldn’t believe it myself, but sometimes if you don’t look or act like the cliche or like common homosexual stuff like music or movies, you’re an imposter and not really gay. Saw it happen myself at a lesbian party. Two girls just looking female were bullied cause it’s “not lesbian” for a couple to be both female looking, that’s just two best friends being confused. “It’s just a phase” is a thing I heard quite a lot that evening. Never knew you signed up for a membership with rules and stuff when you’re “entering” the LG area. Just thought if you only like women as a woman you’re lesbian and same for men only liking men, but it seems that’s not the case.
Yeah… ugh. I know there’s a lot of biphobia (and, as OP mentioned, racism/ableism/classism) in the community, too, which is equally fucking absurd. I guess being queer doesn’t necessarily mean you’re any less of an ignorant asshole.
Transphobic gay men are sadly common. I think some of them think that getting rid of us will make it easier for them to be accepted.
There’s a lot of gross and uncomfortable discourse about the way cis gay men treat trans gay men as well. My boyfriend and I were talking about some nasty shit that went down on Survivor…
The same reason why women can be misogynistic. They think they’re one of the “good ones” and #notlikeothergays
Like they’ve forgotten that leopards ate their face too
Similar counterarguments makes for a strawman fallacy. An argument for one case can have different results than for another because it is something different.
No amount of relatability will make some people not fear that which is different.